Taiwan legalizes same-sex marriage.

[Pasong Tirad]

It's really funny to see news agencies trip over themselves as they try and report this without mistakenly calling Taiwan a country and getting Beijing mad. I believe BBC or some other agency called it a state (ambiguous enough to allow it to mean a state within China) and I saw CNN call it a "place" - which is technically true, I'll give them that, Taiwan is, in fact, a place.

Great job for Taiwan being the first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage. Good on them.

[Kannap]

It's really funny to see news agencies trip over themselves as they try and report this without mistakenly calling Taiwan a country and getting Beijing mad. I believe BBC or some other agency called it a state (ambiguous enough to allow it to mean a state within China) and I saw CNN call it a "place" - which is technically true, I'll give them that, Taiwan is, in fact, a place.

Great job for Taiwan being the first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage. Good on them.

Twitter trends reported it as "Being the first in Asia"

First what? Canoe? Plate of spaghetti? Boston Marathon?

[Bienenhalde]

Great job for Taiwan being the first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage. Good on them.

Incorrect. The first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage is the Republic of China. Now if only they could retake the mainland from the commie bandits....

[Pasong Tirad]

Great job for Taiwan being the first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage. Good on them.

Incorrect. The first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage is the Republic of China. Now if only they could retake the mainland from the commie bandits....

[Telconi]

It's really funny to see news agencies trip over themselves as they try and report this without mistakenly calling Taiwan a country and getting Beijing mad. I believe BBC or some other agency called it a state (ambiguous enough to allow it to mean a state within China) and I saw CNN call it a "place" - which is technically true, I'll give them that, Taiwan is, in fact, a place.

Great job for Taiwan being the first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage. Good on them.

Twitter trends reported it as "Being the first in Asia"

First what? Canoe? Plate of spaghetti? Boston Marathon?

First country that we can't call a country because it's jealous little brother will throw a fit about it.

Bit in all seriousness, good on Taiwan. Hopefully more nations follow suit.

[Bombadil]

Well just as I note HK is making strides they go and do this.. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/tra ... anned-hong

[NERVUN]

There's always fucking us. Pinoys who seem incapable of pulling any triggers unless it's to pump druggies with lead at point-blank range.

Yeah, I’m not sure The Philippines would follow Taiwan’s example. I’m watching for Japan and although slowly, South Korean attitudes have been morphing a bit. On the South Korean case, however, I don’t see anything happening soon.

But I do wonder if the Taiwanese case could spur Japan into legalizing same sex marriage. Social attitudes toward LGBT people are rather progressive there, although there’s no full legality.

Sadly, Japan is unlikely to get there soon. While there's been an explosion of municipalities recognizing same sex couples, the LDP is very firmly in the NO camp and unlikely to allow a debate about it in the Diet, let alone a bill passing.

[Scomagia]

I’m not sure why one needs to live in the country in question to care about their rights. What a silly idea.

Because it's their rights and not yours. Unless you intend to get married in Taiwan this does not effect you. And therefore it is an irrelevancy.

And yet here you are chastising others on a small web forum for being interested in an irrelevancy. The hypocrisy is palpable.

[Scomagia]

Good for ROC. I'm doubtful that this will have much effect elsewhere but it's still great for ROC.

[Highever]

I’m not sure why one needs to live in the country in question to care about their rights. What a silly idea.

Because it's their rights and not yours. Unless you intend to get married in Taiwan this does not effect you. And therefore it is an irrelevancy.

God for-fucking-bid people are happy about things that dont always directly involve them

[Risottia]

...
The vote came almost two years after the island's Constitutional Court ruled that the existing law -- which said marriage was between a man and a woman -- was unconstitutional. ...

Same argument as Norway, iirc. I strongly support this argument, as it follows logically from the equality of sexes before the law.

[Risottia]

Good for ROC. I'm doubtful that this will have much effect elsewhere but it's still great for ROC.

Yeah, ROC policies aren't exactly very influential worldwide, as they're not even UN members.

Sadly, ROC enjoys a very limited international recognition, so ROC passports indicating the conjugal status of a couple aren't necessarily accepted everywhere.
I guess that in the EU they would be accepted and recognised. https://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/taiw ... -and-eu_en

[Risottia]

Great job for Taiwan being the first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage. Good on them.

Incorrect. The first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage is the Republic of China. Now if only they could retake the mainland from the commie bandits....

The "commie bandits" are legally the sole government of China, as stated by the UN, thanks to the decision of the notorious commie bandit called Richard Nixon.

[Senkaku]

Another great reason to... *checks notes* firmly oppose the use of force in the resolution of cross-strait disputes while acknowledging that parties on both sides agree to the One China Policy, maintaining a readiness and willingness to intervene to prevent bloodshed, and assessing requests from Taiwan regarding sales of defensive systems. :^)

And also cool for the people of Taiwan, too! <3

[Cetacea]

fuck China - Taiwan is Taiwan!!!

anyway the only other Asian countrys I can see maybe following suit is Japan and Vietnam, too many conservatives in Korea and SEA

Vietnams interesting as although conservative in values homosexuality has never been criminalised there, Vietnam allows same-sex weddings, but does not offer legal recognition or protection same sex partners.

The Grim Reaper also mentioned Nepal and Cambodia as Asian countries that could follow in Taiwan’s footsteps regarding legalizing same sex marriage. He also mentioned India, which would be a big hitter.

aaah, ok I forgot about Nepal

and apparently in 1995 the Phnom Penh Post reported the gala wedding of Kandal women Khav Sokha and Pum Eth.
Before agreeing to issue a marriage license officials quizzed Eth on whether she was willing and happy to marry and as a wife rely on her 'husband' for her future. Sokha -who dresses and speaks as a man - stated that "The authorities thought it was strange, but they agreed to tolerate it because I have three children already (from a previous marriage). They said that if we were both single (and childless), we would not be allowed to get married because we could not produce children."

SO it seems that Cambodia was the first Asian country to have a legally recognised same sex marriage (one of Kandals governors even gave the couple a wedding gift) but that Taiwan is the first to enshrine recognition in law.

[Novus America]

Incorrect. The first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage is the Republic of China. Now if only they could retake the mainland from the commie bandits....

The "commie bandits" are legally the sole government of China, as stated by the UN, thanks to the decision of the notorious commie bandit called Richard Nixon.

Which was intended as only a temporary, tactical maneuver.
And could change again. The US should have dropped recognition of the PRC in 1989 and can (and absolutely should do so now.

[Risottia]

The "commie bandits" are legally the sole government of China, as stated by the UN, thanks to the decision of the notorious commie bandit called Richard Nixon.

Which was intended as only a temporary, tactical maneuver.
And could change again. The US should have dropped recognition of the PRC in 1989 and can (and absolutely should do so now.

Intentions matter not. What is written and approved is what matters, and NOTHING in that resolution says that PRC's recognition is temporary.

The US can drop recognition of PRC. It's not likely that this will change matters at the UN, as there's no consensus in the Security Council about giving China's seat back to the ROC. I doubt that Russia would ever vote in favour of ROC, especially if America proposed the switch. Same for Britain or France: PRC is a much more interesting trade partner than ROC.

[Novus America]

Which was intended as only a temporary, tactical maneuver.
And could change again. The US should have dropped recognition of the PRC in 1989 and can (and absolutely should do so now.

Intentions matter not. What is written and approved is what matters, and NOTHING in that resolution says that PRC's recognition is temporary.

The US can drop recognition of PRC. It's not likely that this will change matters at the UN, as there's no consensus in the Security Council about giving China's seat back to the ROC. I doubt that Russia would ever vote in favour of ROC, especially if America proposed the switch. Same for Britain or France: PRC is a much more interesting trade partner than ROC.

Russia might not. But the UN is a joke anyways.
We need to replace it.

And our policy of putting trade (China is a super shitty, abusive trade partner anyways) must change or the West will die. If we make money (though only multinationals see any money gain) more important than rights, well we make money more important than rights...

You are correct the West would rather commit suicide in near religious belief that trade, even bad, one sided exploitive trade that benefits a hostile regime at your expense is somehow good.
But I will still (admittedly like Cassandra to no affect) point out that commuting suicide is a bad idea.

[Risottia]

Russia might not. But the UN is a joke anyways.

If the UN is a joke, why do you make such a fuss about who holds China's seat at the UN?

We need to replace it.

I guess America is perfectly free to leave the UN, and it would surely be joined by its colonies.

And our policy of putting trade (China is a super shitty, abusive trade partner anyways) must change or the West will die.

"You" are not "the West".

If we make money (though only multinationals see any money gain) more important than rights, well we make money more important than rights...

Have you become a commie by any chance? Since when?

You are correct the West would rather commit suicide in near religious belief that trade, even bad, one sided exploitive trade that benefits a hostile regime at your expense is somehow good.
But I will still (admittedly like Cassandra to no affect) point out that commuting suicide is a bad idea.

Dude, the West doesn't have a religious belief in trade. Case in point, America switched recognition from ROC to PRC not because of trade (its trade back in 1973 with ROC was fine, and inexistent with PRC), but because America cared for the rights of the people being oppressed by the Soviet bloc. It was a move aimed at strengthening PRC agaisnt the Soviets.

[Risottia]

fuck China - Taiwan is Taiwan!!!

anyway the only other Asian countrys I can see maybe following suit is Japan and Vietnam, too many conservatives in Korea and SEA

Vietnams interesting as although conservative in values homosexuality has never been criminalised there, Vietnam allows same-sex weddings, but does not offer legal recognition or protection same sex partners.

The Grim Reaper also mentioned Nepal and Cambodia as Asian countries that could follow in Taiwan’s footsteps regarding legalizing same sex marriage. He also mentioned India, which would be a big hitter.

India? The country with widespread lynchings about religion and sex? The one with a nationalist-religious majority? Seriously?

[Novus America]

Russia might not. But the UN is a joke anyways.

If the UN is a joke, why do you make such a fuss about who holds China's seat at the UN?

We need to replace it.

I guess America is perfectly free to leave the UN, and it would surely be joined by its colonies.

And our policy of putting trade (China is a super shitty, abusive trade partner anyways) must change or the West will die.

"You" are not "the West".

If we make money (though only multinationals see any money gain) more important than rights, well we make money more important than rights...

Have you become a commie by any chance? Since when?

You are correct the West would rather commit suicide in near religious belief that trade, even bad, one sided exploitive trade that benefits a hostile regime at your expense is somehow good.
But I will still (admittedly like Cassandra to no affect) point out that commuting suicide is a bad idea.

Dude, the West doesn't have a religious belief in trade. Case in point, America switched recognition from ROC to PRC not because of trade (its trade back in 1973 with ROC was fine, and inexistent with PRC), but because America cared for the rights of the people being oppressed by the Soviet bloc. It was a move aimed at strengthening PRC agaisnt the Soviets.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_of_Democracies

And Europe too is facing a massive threat from the PRC taking control of its economy he influencing its politics for ill. The US is not the only country being devastated by PRC economic and political warfare. It is suicide for you too.

We did not have always have a near religious belief in “free trade” but we do now.
It is a new, post Cold War insanity, but insanity our governments have embraced none the less.

Anyways there is a middle ground between being a “commie” and supporting one sided trade with hostile (nominally “Communist” ruled) dictatorships.
Private corporations can exist, but they should not be above all and allowed to dictate government policy, and their wants supported without question, even when what they want is clearly not always in our best interests.
I never drank the “free trade” Cool-aid.

[Novus America]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
An interesting article on the PRC lies and duplicity regarding this.

[Novus America]

The Grim Reaper also mentioned Nepal and Cambodia as Asian countries that could follow in Taiwan’s footsteps regarding legalizing same sex marriage. He also mentioned India, which would be a big hitter.

India? The country with widespread lynchings about religion and sex? The one with a nationalist-religious majority? Seriously?

Hinduism does not have the same beliefs on this issue as some other religions.
Not all religions oppose this.

Sure India still has major issues but has made progress, and has judicial independence.

[The Blaatschapen]

Incorrect. The first country in Asia to allow same-sex marriage is the Republic of China. Now if only they could retake the mainland from the commie bandits....

The "commie bandits" are legally the sole government of China, as stated by the UN, thanks to the decision of the notorious commie bandit called Richard Nixon.

Until the UN sends me a cease & desist letter, i'll keep calling the usurpers on the mainland commie bandits.

[Risottia]

The "commie bandits" are legally the sole government of China, as stated by the UN, thanks to the decision of the notorious commie bandit called Richard Nixon.

Until the UN sends me a cease & desist letter, i'll keep calling the usurpers on the mainland commie bandits.

The UN would never care for what happens on Nationstates and the names we use here... or send Max a cease-and-desist order... would they now?