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Taiwan legalizes same-sex marriage.

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat May 18, 2019 9:17 pm

In a historic move, Taiwan becomes the first Asian country to legalize same sex marriage.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
Lawmakers in Taiwan have approved a bill legalizing same-sex marriage, a landmark decision that makes the self-ruled island the first place in Asia to pass gay marriage legislation.

The vote came almost two years after the island's Constitutional Court ruled that the existing law -- which said marriage was between a man and a woman -- was unconstitutional. The panel of judges gave the island's parliament two years to amend or enact new laws.

On Friday -- only a week off the two-year deadline -- lawmakers in Taiwan's Legislative Yuan passed a bill making same-sex marriage a reality. It will go into effect on May 24.


It is hoped that this legalization moves other Asian countries to emulate Taiwan in achieving equality for the LGBT community. I’m truly delighted this has happened I too hope other countries in Asia follow suit. That, however, is not easy as there are Asian countries like Indonesia, who have strong religious incentives not to legalize same sex marriage. Indonesia has a rather strong religious Muslim community.

What do you think, NSG? Do you think Taiwan could spark other Asian countries to also legalize same sex marriage or do you think this is just an uphill battle and Taiwan is just an anomaly?
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Postby Heloin » Sat May 18, 2019 9:25 pm

Good job Taiwan!

Hopefully this is a sign of future changes in the region. Though whether or not is still to be seen.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat May 18, 2019 9:49 pm

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat May 18, 2019 9:59 pm

Good on Taiwan!

I hope other countries in the region do follow suit, but that still remains to be seen.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat May 18, 2019 10:21 pm

I think my family in Taiwan are still going to vote Blue (being conservative and pro China) because the Greens are still going to start WWiii if they keep up with their antics.

It’s nice that they’ve legalized gay marriage but the Greens are still overall a serious threat to the stability of the region.

The Blues could lose the next presidential though because of this idiotic in-party struggle over the two presidential favorites.

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Postby Kowani » Sat May 18, 2019 11:26 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think my family in Taiwan are still going to vote Blue (being conservative and pro China) because the Greens are still going to start WWiii if they keep up with their antics.

It’s nice that they’ve legalized gay marriage but the Greens are still overall a serious threat to the stability of the region.

The Blues could lose the next presidential though because of this idiotic in-party struggle over the two presidential favorites.

You know what’s a “serious threat to the stability of the region”? North Korea. Nobody gives a crap about inter-Taiwanese politics.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 19, 2019 12:18 am

Keep an eye on those pissed off by the passage of the law legalizing same-sex marriages. They're trying to start something sinister, just to fuck with LGBTs in Taiwan.

Also, congratulations, Taiwan! That's one more non-Pinoy country that's managed to get past us! We suck! Hahahahahaha! We suck!

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun May 19, 2019 12:58 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It is hoped that this legalization moves other Asian countries to emulate Taiwan in achieving equality for the LGBT community. I’m truly delighted this has happened I too hope other countries in Asia follow suit.


Like whom?

That, however, is not easy as there are Asian countries like Indonesia, who have strong religious incentives not to legalize same sex marriage. Indonesia has a rather strong religious Muslim community.


It's amusing and probably somewhat prejudicial that you seem to think the biggest opposition to same sex marriage in East Asia comes from Muslim-majority countries. Good luck getting it recognised in places like Singapore, where homosexuality is still illegal, and places like South Korea, which have a sizeable Christian minority and are very conservative socially.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 19, 2019 1:00 am

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 19, 2019 1:12 am

Duhon wrote:Keep an eye on those pissed off by the passage of the law legalizing same-sex marriages. They're trying to start something sinister, just to fuck with LGBTs in Taiwan.

Also, congratulations, Taiwan! That's one more non-Pinoy country that's managed to get past us! We suck! Hahahahahaha! We suck!


Well, the law that stated marriage was only to be between a man and a woman was found unconstitutional two years ago. Parliament gave law makers two years to rectify this. It’s been in the works for two years and it’s supposed to come into effect this month, by the 24th. I have no doubt this will rub some people the wrong way. I’m sure there will be protests about it. And I wouldn’t put it past some people to “start something sinister” against the Taiwanese LGBT community.

Still, this is the right step. Despite such people, the Taiwanese LGBT community should celebrate the passing of this bill.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 19, 2019 1:26 am

Duhon wrote:There's always fucking us. Pinoys who seem incapable of pulling any triggers unless it's to pump druggies with lead at point-blank range.


Yeah, I’m not sure The Philippines would follow Taiwan’s example. I’m watching for Japan and although slowly, South Korean attitudes have been morphing a bit. On the South Korean case, however, I don’t see anything happening soon.

But I do wonder if the Taiwanese case could spur Japan into legalizing same sex marriage. Social attitudes toward LGBT people are rather progressive there, although there’s no full legality.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 19, 2019 1:36 am

We're the most liberal in Asia when it comes to LGBTs. (Not liberal enough for anyone in Congress to sponsor a bill legalizing same-sex marriage, but them's the breaks.) Sure, gays in public life are stereotyped as hyperflamboyant social butterflies, but that's about it. We care too much about making ends meet to give a shit about who sleeps with whom.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun May 19, 2019 2:43 am

Congrats China with legalizing same sex marriage :)
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun May 19, 2019 2:43 am

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Postby Major-Tom » Sun May 19, 2019 2:57 am

This is fantastic news, quite clearly, glad to see the Republic of China's government shifting increasingly towards tolerant and equitable values.

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sun May 19, 2019 3:02 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Duhon wrote:There's always fucking us. Pinoys who seem incapable of pulling any triggers unless it's to pump druggies with lead at point-blank range.


Yeah, I’m not sure The Philippines would follow Taiwan’s example. I’m watching for Japan and although slowly, South Korean attitudes have been morphing a bit. On the South Korean case, however, I don’t see anything happening soon.

But I do wonder if the Taiwanese case could spur Japan into legalizing same sex marriage. Social attitudes toward LGBT people are rather progressive there, although there’s no full legality.


Purely a cursory look at Wikipedia's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Asia], but they seem to suggest frontrunners include Nepal and Cambodia (and Israel if you count it as Asian). Outside bets are the Philippines and Thailand. The five of them have had actual proposals for SSM, or on same-sex adoptions and partnerships. India only legalized recently - SSM would be a big move from there but I think India will be the first real heavy-hitter in terms of SSM in Asia, if you discount Israel as not technically Asian and Nepal and Cambodia (and Taiwan) as minor countries.

Wikipedia claims, without citation, that Cambodia has a constitutional ban on SSM but /also/ has had an exceptional same-sex marriage recognized and registered.
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Postby Purpelia » Sun May 19, 2019 3:10 am

I don't see why people are reacting to it at all. Unless you live in Taiwan this simply does not concern you one way or the other.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 19, 2019 3:11 am

Purpelia wrote:I don't see why people are reacting to it at all. Unless you live in Taiwan this simply does not concern you one way or the other.


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun May 19, 2019 3:14 am

Purpelia wrote:I don't see why people are reacting to it at all. Unless you live in Taiwan this simply does not concern you one way or the other.


I have friends in China, and I am happy for them to be able to get married. Heck, I might even get invited, and I do like a good party :)
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun May 19, 2019 3:16 am

Purpelia wrote:I don't see why people are reacting to it at all. Unless you live in Taiwan this simply does not concern you one way or the other.

Human rights are a thing worth caring about.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 19, 2019 3:20 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yeah, I’m not sure The Philippines would follow Taiwan’s example. I’m watching for Japan and although slowly, South Korean attitudes have been morphing a bit. On the South Korean case, however, I don’t see anything happening soon.

But I do wonder if the Taiwanese case could spur Japan into legalizing same sex marriage. Social attitudes toward LGBT people are rather progressive there, although there’s no full legality.


Purely a cursory look at Wikipedia's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Asia], but they seem to suggest frontrunners include Nepal and Cambodia (and Israel if you count it as Asian). Outside bets are the Philippines and Thailand. The five of them have had actual proposals for SSM, or on same-sex adoptions and partnerships. India only legalized recently - SSM would be a big move from there but I think India will be the first real heavy-hitter in terms of SSM in Asia, if you discount Israel as not technically Asian and Nepal and Cambodia (and Taiwan) as minor countries.

Wikipedia claims, without citation, that Cambodia has a constitutional ban on SSM but /also/ has had an exceptional same-sex marriage recognized and registered.


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 19, 2019 3:39 am

Purpelia wrote:I don't see why people are reacting to it at all. Unless you live in Taiwan this simply does not concern you one way or the other.


I’m not sure why one needs to live in the country in question to care about their rights. What a silly idea.
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Postby Purpelia » Sun May 19, 2019 4:03 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Purpelia wrote:I don't see why people are reacting to it at all. Unless you live in Taiwan this simply does not concern you one way or the other.


I’m not sure why one needs to live in the country in question to care about their rights. What a silly idea.

Because it's their rights and not yours. Unless you intend to get married in Taiwan this does not effect you. And therefore it is an irrelevancy.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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