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Telconi wrote:

Novus America wrote:Even if he his also a “friend” of your some of your enemies?

Putin plays all sides when it suits him.

While sometimes that tactic has short term benefits, it can also bite you long term.

But most Putinboos really claim Putin is some holy man fighting for the good of the right, not just a temporary ally of convenience.

Alliances of the present address the needs of the present. The Allies sent the USSR tons of military aid during WWII, knowing full well that a conflict with the Soviets was possible or even likely.

Certainly isn’t something Putin seems to understand. What with him allowing China to buy up Russian industry out of an irrational fear of NATO.

Novus America wrote:

Nakena wrote:
They are Putin worshippers, and believe he will come ride in on a white horse like Czar Alexander I. and liberate Europe or some garbage like this.

Sure the rank and file often believe such nonsense.
But here it looks like the leadership was just looking for that sweet cash.

Of course Putin is no one’s friend.
He seeks to weaken and divide Europe, obviously.
Not lead so white Christians crusade against the Muslims and Jews and any of that silliness.

Hence why he also supports with the far left.
Putin is an amoral fundamentally dishonest sleaze of course.

No even the Leadership sometimes believes that apparently. If anything the video proves that they're not the smartest guns in da house.

Putin seeks to weaken european liberal democracies because he knows liberal elites will never truly accept him and have repeatedly sponsored "color revolutions". 2014 Euromaidan was the last straw that convinced him to go into the counter offensive, and initiating active measures.

Thats actually very understandable from Putins perspective. For him the right wing populists are just useful idiots though.

Neu Leonstein wrote:https://www.dw.com/cda/en/austrian-vice-chancellor-heinz-christian-strache-resigns-following-alleged-corruption-scandal/a-48783968

https://t.co/TPJESmIYMD?amp=1

Heinz-Christian Strache, the head of Austria's right-wing populist FPÖ party, met with a purported Russian multimillionaire on Ibiza in July 2017. She offered him campaign support in exchange for public contracts. What he didn't know was that the entire exchange was being recorded by hidden cameras.

Good riddance, obviously. Why is it always the a nationalists that get involved in these sell-out deals with foreign interests?

What do you think? Horribly unfair setup? Or a sign that populism brings with it a degradation of social and governmental infrastructure that risks dragging developed countries away from that status?

Yeah except Globalist politcians whole existance is about selling out, the difference is that it's expected for them too. There isn't a mainstream politician that wins elections that isn't patronized by some rich benefactor. The fact that your trying to frame this as some unqiue thing either showcases your naivetay or insincerity.

What a fucking shame.

Huh, it's almost like a fear-inciting prick without a moral compass could become beholden to a hostile foreign power. How surprising is that?

Unsurprising; the Far-Right is and has always been an ideological plague. It is parasitically reactionary and as such will always be it's own worst enemy. I cannot fathom why anyone is willing to put faith in them to answer the threat of Leftism in the world. They cannot even answer the threat of corruption in their own ranks.

Badb Catha wrote:Unsurprising; the Far-Right is and has always been an ideological plague. It is parasitically reactionary and as such will always be it's own worst enemy. I cannot fathom why anyone is willing to put faith in them to answer the threat of Leftism in the world. They cannot even answer the threat of corruption in their own ranks.

Lol at a neofascist opposing the far right.

Cekoviu wrote:

Badb Catha wrote:Unsurprising; the Far-Right is and has always been an ideological plague. It is parasitically reactionary and as such will always be it's own worst enemy. I cannot fathom why anyone is willing to put faith in them to answer the threat of Leftism in the world. They cannot even answer the threat of corruption in their own ranks.

Lol at a neofascist opposing the far right.

I fail to see what is funny? Fascism has always stood in opposition toward Reactionary philosophies such as Conservatism and Traditionalism; core tenants of Far-Right ideologies such as the Alt-Right, Identitarianism, and similar Far-Right political views.

Neu Leonstein wrote:Why is it always the a nationalists that get involved in these sell-out deals with foreign interests?

Is Hillary a nationalist?

Badb Catha wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:Lol at a neofascist opposing the far right.

I fail to see what is funny? Fascism has always stood in opposition toward Reactionary philosophies such as Conservatism and Traditionalism; core tenants of Far-Right ideologies such as the Alt-Right, Identitarianism, and similar Far-Right political views.

Fascism is the ultimate reactionarism.

Wow, a capitalist civic """nationalist""" bought out by big corporations and other international cliques? It's almost as if capitalists and psuedo-nationalists are a way to divert support from genuine nationalist organizations and keep the money flowing to big finance.

Cekoviu wrote:

Badb Catha wrote:
I fail to see what is funny? Fascism has always stood in opposition toward Reactionary philosophies such as Conservatism and Traditionalism; core tenants of Far-Right ideologies such as the Alt-Right, Identitarianism, and similar Far-Right political views.

Fascism is the ultimate reactionarism.

Wrong, nearly all forms of fascism (Sans Integralism if you can even count it) have been to some degree opposed to the right wing. Hence "fascism" being more correctly referred to as the Third Position, in a similar way to how Dugin's political theory can be referred to as the Fourth Position.

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
It does however have quite a lot of neo nazis and fascists in there. A majority even.

Some parts of the Alt right get so radicalized by echo chambers that they get violent or even kill innocent people.

At least have of the far right isn’t fascist. They are more like Trumpist patriots.

Not really patriots sense they put party ahead of country.

Risottia wrote:European xenophobe and self-proclaimed sovereignist is actually an agent of antiEuropean foreign powers.

Colour me surprised.

Global tribalism -- now there's your oxymoron.

Cekoviu wrote:

Badb Catha wrote:
I fail to see what is funny? Fascism has always stood in opposition toward Reactionary philosophies such as Conservatism and Traditionalism; core tenants of Far-Right ideologies such as the Alt-Right, Identitarianism, and similar Far-Right political views.

Fascism is the ultimate reactionarism.

This is untrue. Reactionary thought is regressive; it advocates the return to a romanticized past, which is why it is intertwined with Conservatism and Traditionalism - two philosophies that staunchly oppose any radical or fundamental change in society and instead prefer to either maintain the status quo or undo progressive policies.

Fascism is Futurist; progressive by it's very nature. Fascism is not concerned with what was but what can be, just as most ideologies do - even ones that conflict with Fascism, such as Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Liberalism. The primary concern for Fascists such as myself is the creation of a better tomorrow, not the glorification of an idolized past. Calling Fascism "Reactionary" is tantamount to calling Communism "Individualist".

Badb Catha wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:Fascism is the ultimate reactionarism.

This is untrue. Reactionary thought is regressive; it advocates the return to a romanticized past, which is why it is intertwined with Conservatism and Traditionalism - two philosophies that staunchly oppose any radical or fundamental change in society and instead prefer to either maintain the status quo or undo progressive policies.

Fascism is Futurist; progressive by it's very nature. Fascism is not concerned with what was but what can be, just as most ideologies do - even ones that conflict with Fascism, such as Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Liberalism. The primary concern for Fascists such as myself is the creation of a better tomorrow, not the glorification of an idolized past. Calling Fascism "Reactionary" is tantamount to calling Communism "Individualist".

Glorification of regimes of the past is the entire core of fascist ideology, lmao. You may view the ideology as futuristic, but it's futuristic in the context of the 1930s rather than today.

Ah, Putin's European posse is exposed.

Ha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Idiot.

To the anonymous guy who set up the recording: thank you. Now Austria has a chance to free itself from its posse of authoritarian assholes. Trying to mimic Orban and Fidesz? Götz von B!

Well, anyway, speaking of exposing onanistic assholes, it seems Sebby Kurz now has no choice but to call for snap elections. Ha! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Your second chance has come up earlier than expected, Österreich! Rid yourselves of these jackasses and their jackasses!

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Almost like the rise of the far right in Europe recently has been Russian funded.

While Russian funding of nascent authoritarian regimes is itself an important issue that needs to be dealt with, we musn't forget about the recipients. These assholes trying to copypaste the Orban in Orbanország, these global tribalists, need to be beat up even harder than their foreign teats.

Ifreann wrote:

Risottia wrote:European xenophobe and self-proclaimed sovereignist is actually an agent of antiEuropean foreign powers.

Colour me surprised.

I'm sure that it's in Austria's interest for their top politicians to be in the pocket of Russian millionaires. Somehow.

That's because Russia will protect Austrian traditions, like Catholicism, and keep Germanic people safe from the Slavic hordes.
Uhm.
Wait...

Badb Catha wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:Fascism is the ultimate reactionarism.

This is untrue. Reactionary thought is regressive; it advocates the return to a romanticized past, which is why it is intertwined with Conservatism and Traditionalism - two philosophies that staunchly oppose any radical or fundamental change in society and instead prefer to either maintain the status quo or undo progressive policies.

Fascism is Futurist; progressive by it's very nature. Fascism is not concerned with what was but what can be, just as most ideologies do - even ones that conflict with Fascism, such as Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Liberalism. The primary concern for Fascists such as myself is the creation of a better tomorrow, not the glorification of an idolized past. Calling Fascism "Reactionary" is tantamount to calling Communism "Individualist".

"L'Impero è tornato sui colli fatali di Roma" would strike me as advocating the return to a romanticized past, but w/e.

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:

Liriena wrote:E V E R Y O N E :3

The far right does not equal Hitlerites and Mussolinites.

Considering a large part of or even majority of the far right is made up of fascist ideologies and neo nazis that doesnt seem like it's entirely correct.

Badb Catha wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:Lol at a neofascist opposing the far right.

I fail to see what is funny? Fascism has always stood in opposition toward Reactionary philosophies such as Conservatism and Traditionalism; core tenants of Far-Right ideologies such as the Alt-Right, Identitarianism, and similar Far-Right political views.

In my experience core tenant of the Alt-Right and Identitarianism is racialism.

This is also true for the FPÖ who, under Strache, embraced the legacy of the All-German movement of Georg von Schoenerer who was an volkish-antisemite and the ideological forerunner to Adolf Hitler.

Risottia wrote:

Badb Catha wrote:
This is untrue. Reactionary thought is regressive; it advocates the return to a romanticized past, which is why it is intertwined with Conservatism and Traditionalism - two philosophies that staunchly oppose any radical or fundamental change in society and instead prefer to either maintain the status quo or undo progressive policies.

Fascism is Futurist; progressive by it's very nature. Fascism is not concerned with what was but what can be, just as most ideologies do - even ones that conflict with Fascism, such as Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Liberalism. The primary concern for Fascists such as myself is the creation of a better tomorrow, not the glorification of an idolized past. Calling Fascism "Reactionary" is tantamount to calling Communism "Individualist".

"L'Impero è tornato sui colli fatali di Roma" would strike me as advocating the return to a romanticized past, but w/e.

Hey how's Casa Pound doing?

Cekoviu wrote:

Badb Catha wrote:
This is untrue. Reactionary thought is regressive; it advocates the return to a romanticized past, which is why it is intertwined with Conservatism and Traditionalism - two philosophies that staunchly oppose any radical or fundamental change in society and instead prefer to either maintain the status quo or undo progressive policies.

Fascism is Futurist; progressive by it's very nature. Fascism is not concerned with what was but what can be, just as most ideologies do - even ones that conflict with Fascism, such as Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Liberalism. The primary concern for Fascists such as myself is the creation of a better tomorrow, not the glorification of an idolized past. Calling Fascism "Reactionary" is tantamount to calling Communism "Individualist".

Glorification of regimes of the past is the entire core of fascist ideology, lmao. You may view the ideology as futuristic, but it's futuristic in the context of the 1930s rather than today.

No, this is wrong. There is a difference between having pride in your nation's history and trying to relive it. The Fascist State does the former; Conservatives and Traditionalists do the latter.

Risottia wrote:

Badb Catha wrote:
This is untrue. Reactionary thought is regressive; it advocates the return to a romanticized past, which is why it is intertwined with Conservatism and Traditionalism - two philosophies that staunchly oppose any radical or fundamental change in society and instead prefer to either maintain the status quo or undo progressive policies.

Fascism is Futurist; progressive by it's very nature. Fascism is not concerned with what was but what can be, just as most ideologies do - even ones that conflict with Fascism, such as Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Liberalism. The primary concern for Fascists such as myself is the creation of a better tomorrow, not the glorification of an idolized past. Calling Fascism "Reactionary" is tantamount to calling Communism "Individualist".

"L'Impero è tornato sui colli fatali di Roma" would strike me as advocating the return to a romanticized past, but w/e.

I can see why you'd think that, but this is a common misunderstanding. Mussolini sought to create an Italian Empire - not to restore the Roman Empire. The Italian Empire was meant to be the continuation of Rome; not it's restoration. The same was true for Hitler and the Third Reich: he was not attempting to restore the old German Empire but instead build a new German Empire. This is why it was called the 'Third Reich'. The objective of both was historical continuity and the inheritance of national legacy, not the restoration of long-defunct states.

Nakena wrote:

Badb Catha wrote:
I fail to see what is funny? Fascism has always stood in opposition toward Reactionary philosophies such as Conservatism and Traditionalism; core tenants of Far-Right ideologies such as the Alt-Right, Identitarianism, and similar Far-Right political views.

In my experience core tenant of the Alt-Right and Identitarianism is racialism.

This is also true for the FPÖ who, under Strache, embraced the legacy of the All-German movement of Georg von Schoenerer who was an volkish-antisemite and the ideological forerunner to Adolf Hitler.

This is also true, but these ideologies, groups, and individuals get their Racialist ideals from Conservative/Traditionalist thought of the 19th and 20th centuries. This is why they are Reactionaries. Such ways of thinking were most prominent back then, especially in post-Great War Germany and pre-Civil Rights USA. In Germany these Racialist attitudes manifested in the form of National Socialism, which borrowed ideals from Italian Fascism.

The entire government has now come down: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/austrian-government-collapses-over-ibiza-video-scandal/ar-AABCnFq?li=BBnbfcL

It started when Kurz insisted that Interior Minister Herbetr Kickl be sacked to ensure any inquiry into Strache's video would be unbiased. FPÖ responded by effectively tearing up their coalition agreement and resigning en masse today. Kurz has also dissolved the Nationalrat and called for elections, likely for September 22 to coincide with state elections.