Germany Rules BDS movement as Anti-Semitic

[Risottia]

Repeating your statement over and over isn't actually proving it. It's just yelling. Many Jewish people support BDS. They don't argue for the total destruction of Israel nor the oppression of Jews, and they don't use anti-Semitic arguments or memes to get their point across. Therefore (despite some of the vile comments in this thread from actual anti-Semites) BDS is not inherently anti-Semitic.

QED.

Saying QED makes you sound like a dick tbh, even if your point is valid.

I grew up in an Anti-Israel household in a strongly anti-Semitic neighborhood. When my dad comes home from work, he always said "Remember kids, the enemy aren't the Jews, our enemy is Israel"

It's a bit worrying that your father discussed Israel with children in the first place...

I would find a style of parenting based on keeping kids ignorant of world politics much more worrying.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

The overall BDS movement though is not built or founded upon antisemitism, and it explicitly states it wants complete equality between Jews and Arabs alike. See here:
The BDS movement stands for freedom, justice and equality.

Just like how the KKK says they want equality

Cited From the Organization and principles of the Ku Klux Klan, 1868:
5. Are you opposed to Negro equality both social and political?
6. Are you in favor of a white man's government in this country?
When did BDS ever call for a one-state solution in favour of Palestine is beyond me.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

So AfD wanted a complete ban of BDS, rather than just condemnation.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

I don't know enough about the group to say whether it specifically engages in anti-Semitism. While opposition to Israel's government and the idea of a purely Jewish state (or any ethnostate) is not anti-Semitic, some anti-Israel organizations utilize anti-Semitic ideas to their advantage, and it's correct to label them as such in those cases.

It should be obvious that to BDS, opposition to the Israeli government is a dogwhistle for “jews r big bad meanies”

https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
"JEWS SO BAD THEY EVEN SUPPORT US AGAINST THEIR ETHNONATIONALISM"
TIL that even the Jewish Voice for Peace, which advocates an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and a two state solution, is somehow antisemitic for criticizing the policies of Benjamin Netanyahu, who literally aligned with Kahanist (Israeli equivalent of ISIL) terrorists just to hold onto power.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

So AfD wanted a complete ban of BDS, rather than just condemnation.

Which would violate Article 5 of the Deutsche Grundgesetz, and thus would be unconstitutional. Really, Alice Weidel?

[Duhon]

... and here lies the weakness of postwar Germany's approach with its Nazi past. The nature of subterfuge is that it can be difficult to tell which is genuine concern for the effects of Israeli policies and which is simply antisemitic. Any law that polices the utterances of people who have to abide by its strictures inevitably runs into gray areas such as this one, where the former can very easily slide into the latter, where people and governments hoping to deflect from their own iniquities resort to tar otherwise reasonable viewpoints with the charge of bigotry.

Given the success of... west, dammit, west... Germany's campaign to purge itself of the rot of not only antisemitism but bigotry in general... ah, fuck it, forget it.

[Totally Not OEP]

No BDS is no anti-Semitic, and amusingly enough all the efforts to squash it across the western world only give anti-Semites more propaganda about how powerful the Jewish lobby really is.

And that they have almost all of the parties, regardless of Left-Right affiliation, further speaks volumes.

[Auze]

TIL that Arabs, included self identified Palestinians, don't make up a fucking fifth of Israel's population.

They were a lot more than a fifth of the regions population in 1949.

There were a lot less Jews in Israel in 1949, and were quite a few scattered about the middle east until the governments decided on some ethnic cleansing themselves. The region of Palestine itself pre-settlement had a pretty low population (700,000 in 1920, 70,000 of which were Jews).

[Sanctum and Ultima]

The far-right are anti-Jew but pro-Israel.

[Tobleste]

They are however antisemitic for cropdusting with antisemitic tropes in order to to advance their opposition.

I have failed to notice BDS initiatives supported by antisemitic tropes. Could you link some examples?

Even if their initiatives do get support by anti semites, I wouldn't think banning it is right. Anti immigration laws are frequently supported by racists. That doesn't mean criticism of immigration should be banned.

[British Tackeettlaus]

They were a lot more than a fifth of the regions population in 1949.

There were a lot less Jews in Israel in 1949, and were quite a few scattered about the middle east until the governments decided on some ethnic cleansing themselves. The region of Palestine itself pre-settlement had a pretty low population (700,000 in 1920, 70,000 of which were Jews).

And then Israel expelled 80% of the Palestinian arab population from land they had lived on for over a thousand years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

Now they continue to claim land they have no claim to in violation of international law, and blockade Gaza turning it into effect an open air prison. Any Palestinian anger at this manifesting in armed resistance is smashed with one of the world's most powerful militaries, usually resulting in civilian deaths including children

They are trying hard to conflate being against this as being anti-Semitic.

[Gormwood]

This just goes to show how Israel has monopolized the narrative of Jewishness and antisemitism to its own end. Who knows? One day opposing the ethnic cleansing or genocide of the Palestinians might be called antisemitic.

It also shows how thin-skinned Israel is trying to conflate a peaceful international boycott movement to the Holocaust.

[Proctopeo]

This just goes to show how Israel has monopolized the narrative of Jewishness and antisemitism to its own end. Who knows? One day opposing the ethnic cleansing or genocide of the Palestinians might be called antisemitic.

It also shows how thin-skinned Israel is trying to conflate a peaceful international boycott movement to the Holocaust.

It shows less any of this and more that Germany is still skittish around antisemitism and things associated with it, and that accusing BDS of antisemitism has rather strong merit to it. See: my earlier post on this.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This just goes to show how Israel has monopolized the narrative of Jewishness and antisemitism to its own end. Who knows? One day opposing the ethnic cleansing or genocide of the Palestinians might be called antisemitic.

It also shows how thin-skinned Israel is trying to conflate a peaceful international boycott movement to the Holocaust.

It already is anti-Semitic to side against Israel on the topic of Palestine.

[Cekoviu]

So AfD wanted a complete ban of BDS, rather than just condemnation.

Somewhat surprised that AfD cares about anti-Semitism.

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This just goes to show how Israel has monopolized the narrative of Jewishness and antisemitism to its own end. Who knows? One day opposing the ethnic cleansing or genocide of the Palestinians might be called antisemitic.

It also shows how thin-skinned Israel is trying to conflate a peaceful international boycott movement to the Holocaust.

It already is anti-Semitic to side against Israel on the topic of Palestine.

Anything less than unconditional fealty to Israel is antisemitism, right?

Though many people actually believe that. Just look at how Obama who give Israel tens of billions of dollars and never said a word against the bombings of Gaza was portrayed by some as being hostile to Israel.

[Tobleste]

It already is anti-Semitic to side against Israel on the topic of Palestine.

Anything less than unconditional fealty to Israel is antisemitism, right?

Though many people actually believe that. Just look at how Obama who give Israel tens of billions of dollars and never said a word against the bombings of Gaza was portrayed by some as being hostile to Israel.

I know very little about the Israel-Palestinian issue but the way defenders of Israel scream antisemitism so quickly doesn't make their case stronger.

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Anything less than unconditional fealty to Israel is antisemitism, right?

Though many people actually believe that. Just look at how Obama who give Israel tens of billions of dollars and never said a word against the bombings of Gaza was portrayed by some as being hostile to Israel.

I know very little about the Israel-Palestinian issue but the way defenders of Israel scream antisemitism so quickly doesn't make their case stronger.

This is barely hyperbole, it's like if Israel demanded everyone in America donated one of their kidneys, those who refused would be called antisemites.

[Akrisen]

Wanting human rights for the arabs of Palestine is considered anti-semetic then?

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Wanting human rights for the arabs of Palestine is considered anti-semetic then?

The logic goes that if you recognize Palestine as a nation, that means you think Israel should be destroyed. Some pro-Israel fanatics even think the word Palestine is anti-semitic.

[Auristania]

Therefore (despite some of the vile comments in this thread from actual anti-Semites) BDS is not inherently anti-Semitic.

It is very easy to criticize Israel without ranting that the Jews must be destroyed.

Wrong! It ought to be easy. Most anti Israel criticism is just regular Anti-semitism dressed in Liberal clothing.

[Kavagrad]

Therefore (despite some of the vile comments in this thread from actual anti-Semites) BDS is not inherently anti-Semitic.

It is very easy to criticize Israel without ranting that the Jews must be destroyed.

Wrong! It ought to be easy. Most anti Israel criticism is just regular Anti-semitism dressed in Liberal clothing.

Citation needed.

It might technically be true if you twist the definition of anti-semitism enough, but then I do suppose that's the entire point, isn't it?

[Longweather]

Germany considers BDS to be anti-Semitic? That's kind of persuasive in and of itself...

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

I'm not an anarchist. I'm a world-federalist.

Creating a world state is a mere pipe dream.

If the alternative is a group of mistrustful, squabbling nation-states failing to solve the world's problems or share resources efficiently, I say that pipe dream's worth fighting for.

On the matter of the topic... I can't say I know anything about BDS but as many have stated already: anti-Semitic and anti-Israel positions aren't the same thing but there is often significant demographic overlap between the two and so a group predominantly supporting the former can easily come to support the latter, given time and growth. BDS might be one such group.

I recall someone further down the thread saying that BDS shouldn't be banned if it isn't inherently anti-Semitic. That isn't what's in question - being anti-Semitic full stop is, whether that's inherent or not. If BDS were indeed a place where such views could be discussed without challenge, I would commend Germany for condemning it; if not, then not so.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I doubt that all the people living a fetish lifestyle hate the Jews.