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Postby NeoOasis » Fri May 24, 2019 5:37 pm

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Dunno if emptying a clip into a car is a "mistake." Or shooting a kid with a toy gun... or shooting down a man running away from you. Or more recently pulling a gun on a guy picking up trash in front of his house? They are called mistakes only because society lets them get away with it. Personally I like to think of it as cold blooded murder. If it was literally anyone else, they'd be all in prison. Just because the absence of them means chaos doesn't mean I have to deal with their issues now. They should strive for perfection, and aggressively weed out the corrupt cops... not defend them. The media is only serving to highlight these issues, not creating them.

For all their swearing of upholding law and order, the justice system's application of both is as inconsistent as my bowel movements after a night of binging Taco Bell. That needs to be fixed.


I think we should tolerate a greater measure of mistakes because the USA is a very very dangerous nation to police with all these millions of guns in civilian hands. The police are risking their lives every single day on a scale much greater than in other nations.


For people who uphold the law and are meant to represent it? Fuck no. And the USA is not a very very dangerous nation by any stretch of imagination. Violent crime has been going down consistently over the last few decades, and even if the US was as dangerous as you make it out doesn't mean I should be willing to let Barney Fife get away with fucking murder. I risk my life driving to work everyday, but I don't get a damn medal... nor do loggers, farmers, electricians, doctors, teachers, CPS workers, 7-11 Clerks.

I will hold those who uphold the law to the fullest extent of the law.

EDIT: Also brandishing your gun at a guy cleaning up his property is NOT a mistake. Nor is breaking into a guy's home, and murdering him in cold blood. These are NOT mistakes. Those two cases are as much a mistake as me eating ice cream for breakfast. I know what I did, and I did it of my own will.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 24, 2019 6:04 pm

NeoOasis wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think we should tolerate a greater measure of mistakes because the USA is a very very dangerous nation to police with all these millions of guns in civilian hands. The police are risking their lives every single day on a scale much greater than in other nations.


For people who uphold the law and are meant to represent it? Fuck no. And the USA is not a very very dangerous nation by any stretch of imagination. Violent crime has been going down consistently over the last few decades, and even if the US was as dangerous as you make it out doesn't mean I should be willing to let Barney Fife get away with fucking murder. I risk my life driving to work everyday, but I don't get a damn medal... nor do loggers, farmers, electricians, doctors, teachers, CPS workers, 7-11 Clerks.

I will hold those who uphold the law to the fullest extent of the law.

EDIT: Also brandishing your gun at a guy cleaning up his property is NOT a mistake. Nor is breaking into a guy's home, and murdering him in cold blood. These are NOT mistakes. Those two cases are as much a mistake as me eating ice cream for breakfast. I know what I did, and I did it of my own will.

This is someone who think police can do no wrong and should never be held accountable because they are infallible

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Postby US-SSR » Fri May 24, 2019 7:19 pm

Cops get a bad rep from shooting unarmed young black men. Don't blame the messengers.
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Postby Slongs » Sat May 25, 2019 11:46 am

US-SSR wrote:Cops get a bad rep from shooting unarmed young black men. Don't blame the messengers.

Stop resisting arrest >:(
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 25, 2019 12:12 pm

Slongs wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Cops get a bad rep from shooting unarmed young black men. Don't blame the messengers.

Stop resisting arrest >:(

It does not give officers a excuse to hit someone or commit other illegal actions

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat May 25, 2019 9:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
NeoOasis wrote:
For people who uphold the law and are meant to represent it? Fuck no. And the USA is not a very very dangerous nation by any stretch of imagination. Violent crime has been going down consistently over the last few decades, and even if the US was as dangerous as you make it out doesn't mean I should be willing to let Barney Fife get away with fucking murder. I risk my life driving to work everyday, but I don't get a damn medal... nor do loggers, farmers, electricians, doctors, teachers, CPS workers, 7-11 Clerks.

I will hold those who uphold the law to the fullest extent of the law.

EDIT: Also brandishing your gun at a guy cleaning up his property is NOT a mistake. Nor is breaking into a guy's home, and murdering him in cold blood. These are NOT mistakes. Those two cases are as much a mistake as me eating ice cream for breakfast. I know what I did, and I did it of my own will.

This is someone who think police can do no wrong and should never be held accountable because they are infallible


No no no

They CAN make mistakes and sometimes they do wrong

However, they are on the whole beacons of hope, sentinels of righteousness, and a brotherhood of justice and law and order

We must not forget that without them, we would have Lawlessness

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat May 25, 2019 10:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Slongs wrote:Stop resisting arrest >:(

It does not give officers a excuse to hit someone or commit other illegal actions

Most cops don't do those things.
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Postby Senkaku » Sat May 25, 2019 10:19 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
NeoOasis wrote:
Dunno if emptying a clip into a car is a "mistake." Or shooting a kid with a toy gun... or shooting down a man running away from you. Or more recently pulling a gun on a guy picking up trash in front of his house? They are called mistakes only because society lets them get away with it. Personally I like to think of it as cold blooded murder. If it was literally anyone else, they'd be all in prison. Just because the absence of them means chaos doesn't mean I have to deal with their issues now. They should strive for perfection, and aggressively weed out the corrupt cops... not defend them. The media is only serving to highlight these issues, not creating them.

For all their swearing of upholding law and order, the justice system's application of both is as inconsistent as my bowel movements after a night of binging Taco Bell. That needs to be fixed.


I think we should tolerate a greater measure of mistakes because the USA is a very very dangerous nation to police with all these millions of guns in civilian hands. The police are risking their lives every single day on a scale much greater than in other nations.

Tolerating mistakes when those mistakes have life or death consequences is murderously stupid.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat May 25, 2019 10:24 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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I think we should tolerate a greater measure of mistakes because the USA is a very very dangerous nation to police with all these millions of guns in civilian hands. The police are risking their lives every single day on a scale much greater than in other nations.

Tolerating mistakes when those mistakes have life or death consequences is murderously stupid.


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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 25, 2019 10:27 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Tolerating mistakes when those mistakes have life or death consequences is murderously stupid.


if you turn on those who enforce the law, then eventually no one will be left to enforce them

No one but anarchists are suggesting we "turn on" cops, just that cops be held accountable.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 26, 2019 5:45 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is someone who think police can do no wrong and should never be held accountable because they are infallible


No no no

They CAN make mistakes and sometimes they do wrong

However, they are on the whole beacons of hope, sentinels of righteousness, and a brotherhood of justice and law and order

We must not forget that without them, we would have Lawlessness

When have you ever not defended those in law enforcement no matter what they do? The answer is never.

They are not above the law and should be held accountable when they break it.

No one is talking about having no police officers

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Postby Slavakino » Sun May 26, 2019 5:56 am

Yes, end of story
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 26, 2019 6:08 am

Slavakino wrote:Yes, end of story

How?

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Postby Ors Might » Sun May 26, 2019 6:17 am

Eh. Kind of yeah, kind of no. While sometimes the news media does fuck up a story about a cop, whether through negligence or reporting before important facts are out, it is true that law enforcement is in need of a few major reforms.

San Lumen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
No no no

They CAN make mistakes and sometimes they do wrong

However, they are on the whole beacons of hope, sentinels of righteousness, and a brotherhood of justice and law and order

We must not forget that without them, we would have Lawlessness

When have you ever not defended those in law enforcement no matter what they do? The answer is never.

They are not above the law and should be held accountable when they break it.

No one is talking about having no police officers

Well, strictly speaking, they are above the law in some ways. However, those are offen necessary for the law to function smoothly. In my neck of the woods, officers are more or less expected to let people caught with drugs off with a warning and a disposal of the drugs in question, despite the fact that possession is a crime. Now, if you have a lot of the stuff along with a firearm, they’ll bring you in under the presumption that you’re a dealer. This sort of discretionary enforcement is necessary to maintain peaceful order and faith in the law by the common folk.
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Postby Delmonte » Sun May 26, 2019 6:19 am

I think it's 30% media, 70% their own behavior. I love America, but the shit our cops can get away with is utterly reprehensible.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 26, 2019 6:20 am

Ors Might wrote:Eh. Kind of yeah, kind of no. While sometimes the news media does fuck up a story about a cop, whether through negligence or reporting before important facts are out, it is true that law enforcement is in need of a few major reforms.

San Lumen wrote:When have you ever not defended those in law enforcement no matter what they do? The answer is never.

They are not above the law and should be held accountable when they break it.

No one is talking about having no police officers

Well, strictly speaking, they are above the law in some ways. However, those are offen necessary for the law to function smoothly. In my neck of the woods, officers are more or less expected to let people caught with drugs off with a warning and a disposal of the drugs in question, despite the fact that possession is a crime. Now, if you have a lot of the stuff along with a firearm, they’ll bring you in under the presumption that you’re a dealer. This sort of discretionary enforcement is necessary to maintain peaceful order and faith in the law by the common folk.

How are they above the law?

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Postby Ors Might » Sun May 26, 2019 6:23 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Eh. Kind of yeah, kind of no. While sometimes the news media does fuck up a story about a cop, whether through negligence or reporting before important facts are out, it is true that law enforcement is in need of a few major reforms.


Well, strictly speaking, they are above the law in some ways. However, those are offen necessary for the law to function smoothly. In my neck of the woods, officers are more or less expected to let people caught with drugs off with a warning and a disposal of the drugs in question, despite the fact that possession is a crime. Now, if you have a lot of the stuff along with a firearm, they’ll bring you in under the presumption that you’re a dealer. This sort of discretionary enforcement is necessary to maintain peaceful order and faith in the law by the common folk.

How are they above the law?

By refusing to enforce it in certain circumstances. Of course, there’s also that nobody is gonna get a cop for speeding in non-emergency situations and in some locations that’ll extend to their family members, to a point.
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Postby NeoOasis » Sun May 26, 2019 4:43 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
No no no

They CAN make mistakes and sometimes they do wrong

However, they are on the whole beacons of hope, sentinels of righteousness, and a brotherhood of justice and law and order

We must not forget that without them, we would have Lawlessness


Beacons of hope? Is that why black parents teach their kids to be extra cautious around cops lest they get arrested? You have a damn childish view of cops. Cops aren't here to be righteous. They are here to enforce the law... which they fail time and time again... with almost no reprecussion.

If cops continue to grow their own victim complexes, we will have lawlessness. Police MUST be held accountable. I'm not gonna let government butt fuck me because "without them it would be anarchy." I'm not going to embrace an extreme to avoid another extreme.
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Postby Aeritai » Sun May 26, 2019 5:44 pm

Well after reading that I must agree that Cops should be held accountable for their actions. I support police and we need them to keep order, but there has to be a major reform/re-training in all police departments.
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Postby Radictistan » Sun May 26, 2019 6:45 pm

*Looks at TV Guide. Notices that half of the shows on prime time are shows about police in which the police are depicted as more godly than God.*

Uh...no.

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Postby NeoOasis » Sun May 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Radictistan wrote:*Looks at TV Guide. Notices that half of the shows on prime time are shows about police in which the police are depicted as more godly than God.*

Uh...no.


Supposedly part of a subtle propaganda effort started in the 70s with various cop dramas showing cops as good. I forgot the article, but it went into detail on how cops were depicted in TV shows and movies before the 70s as being rough, corrupt, and above the law. Then it apparently changed to what we know today with cops being the good guys pretty much no matter what.

One could argue that cops have not so much gotten a bad rep from the media, but actually had a decades long good PR effort for them.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun May 26, 2019 8:07 pm

Well, cops doing good stuff and serving their community doesn't get commended and reported simply because it's what they are supposed to do. Same thing with journalism: do good things in your profession and it's basically what's expected, or do cockups and then your actions will make headlines.

Cops being held accountable is the first step in improving public perception of law enforcement.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Sun May 26, 2019 10:29 pm

The media sells stories. Stories are interesting because they have conflict in them. Stories without conflict or say something nice bore readers. The media gives most things a bad rap because it is their job to expose people so problems can be fixed. This is what the media does.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 29, 2019 9:02 pm

UniversalCommons wrote:The media sells stories. Stories are interesting because they have conflict in them. Stories without conflict or say something nice bore readers. The media gives most things a bad rap because it is their job to expose people so problems can be fixed. This is what the media does.

Yeah how dare we hold people accountable especially those whose job it is to enforce the law.

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed May 29, 2019 9:08 pm

The media does everything in its power to paint police in a flattering light, even when they murder people. So no.
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