Gay couple visitation. Who complains first?

[Iron Chariots]

Good. It would have been nice if something like this had been done earlier, but it's progress.

[Tmutarakhan]

I think MSNBC will complain first, or at least get some crackpot to say "burn gays, yea" and then declare him a "Tea Partier."

If you still think the "Tea Party" is not a group of racist homophobe wingnuts, go ahead and poll them on gay marriage. I'm interested to see how centrist and "only concerned with fiscal responsibility" they'll turn out to be.

Not as bad as you might think. The NYT/CBS poll (see Nate Silver's analysis here) finds about 60% of them favoring "some kind of legal recognition" for same-sex couples: this would include the "civil unions OK, but no M-word" people. The poll found 18% of Americans who "identify with" the Tea Party movement, though only 4% who had donated money and/or attended one of the rallies; the poll is of that larger group, in which the crazies are less of a fraction than in the hard core.

EDIT: fuller data here. "16% of Tea Partiers say gay couples should be able to marry legally and 41% say they should be able to get civil unions, compared to 39% and 24% of the total sample."

[Pythria]

-Snort- America sucks. Seriously - ever since Barrack Obama became pres', all people have been doing is bitch about his choices!!

Yeah, thats all I do all day long. We all stopped going to work or even sleeping, we just bitch about what he does, thats right.

Because who needs a life when you could complain?

[Juristonia]

The criticism should come from the left. Obama could have ordered this on his first day on the job. Why is he only now forthcoming with this "direction"?

Because the man isn't God and can't do everything he wants to do as president in one day?
Hell, even God needed 6 of them followed by a whole day's rest.

[Pythria]

I actually don't mind this. I'm not for gay marriage, but I think anyone should be able to visit someone else in the hospital.

[Gauthier]

And so Phase 2 of Sauron Hussein Obama's master plan to turn the United States into the Socialist Gay AmeriCaliphate begins...

[JuNii]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/15/hospital.gay.visitation/index.html?hpt=C1

Barack Obama is ordering the Dept of Health and Human Services to require that all hospitals that receive federal money must allow broader visitation rules that would allow patients to choose who can visit.

So the question I'm wondering is this: Which public talking head is going to attack this first?

huh? you mean this ISN'T being done? here, the patients can say who can visit (family, Friends, etc) them in the Hospital...

*Imgaines*

[Lunatic Goofballs]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/15/hospital.gay.visitation/index.html?hpt=C1

Barack Obama is ordering the Dept of Health and Human Services to require that all hospitals that receive federal money must allow broader visitation rules that would allow patients to choose who can visit.

So the question I'm wondering is this: Which public talking head is going to attack this first?

huh? you mean this ISN'T being done? here, the patients can say who can visit (family, Friends, etc) them in the Hospital...

*Imgaines*

It isn't being done everywhere. For example, in the article it describes a couple in Miami who were kept apart by hospital regulations until after the loved one died and the sister arrived to be given information to relay to the spouse.

[North Wiedna]

The receptionist. Think about it.

[Dempublicents1]

I think MSNBC will complain first, or at least get some crackpot to say "burn gays, yea" and then declare him a "Tea Partier."

If you still think the "Tea Party" is not a group of racist homophobe wingnuts, go ahead and poll them on gay marriage. I'm interested to see how centrist and "only concerned with fiscal responsibility" they'll turn out to be.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/ ... print.html

[Muravyets]

If we start letting patients choose who may visit them, next thing you know we'll be allowing them to make informed decisions on their own medical care. (And not some actuary at the insurance agency as God intended it)

that's known as a slippery slope argument. The conclusion is incredibly overdrawn and this hardly qualifies as an argument.

Actually, it's what's known as a joke. You know, one of them sarcastic ones.

[Muravyets]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/15/hospital.gay.visitation/index.html?hpt=C1

Barack Obama is ordering the Dept of Health and Human Services to require that all hospitals that receive federal money must allow broader visitation rules that would allow patients to choose who can visit.

So the question I'm wondering is this: Which public talking head is going to attack this first?

huh? you mean this ISN'T being done? here, the patients can say who can visit (family, Friends, etc) them in the Hospital...

*Imgaines*

It isn't being done everywhere. For example, in the article it describes a couple in Miami who were kept apart by hospital regulations until after the loved one died and the sister arrived to be given information to relay to the spouse.

That's just fucking goddamned sickening.

[Bluth Corporation]

Your mom.

[Assassinistan]

I think it's great that your uncle's hospital allows patients to chose who will stay with them when they are ill. There are plenty of hospitals that don't.

http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/09/hosp ... die-alone/

I think I threw up in my mouth a little when reading this.

That's a serious condition.
I believe it is caused by a bleeding heart.

[Assassinistan]

Your mom.

No, YOUR mom!

[Tmutarakhan]

I think MSNBC will complain first, or at least get some crackpot to say "burn gays, yea" and then declare him a "Tea Partier."

If you still think the "Tea Party" is not a group of racist homophobe wingnuts, go ahead and poll them on gay marriage. I'm interested to see how centrist and "only concerned with fiscal responsibility" they'll turn out to be.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/ ... print.html

Ha! I beat you to it! For further breakdown, look a few posts above yours.

[Dempublicents1]

I think MSNBC will complain first, or at least get some crackpot to say "burn gays, yea" and then declare him a "Tea Partier."

If you still think the "Tea Party" is not a group of racist homophobe wingnuts, go ahead and poll them on gay marriage. I'm interested to see how centrist and "only concerned with fiscal responsibility" they'll turn out to be.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/ ... print.html

Ha! I beat you to it! For further breakdown, look a few posts above yours.

Yeah, saw that. Couldn't be bothered to delete mine. =)

[Dempublicents1]

Don't know about first, but here's a complaint from the Family Research Council:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... c=fb&cc=fp

J.P. Duffy, vice president for communications at the Family Research Council, said Obama is pandering to a radical special interest group.

"There are many other ways to deal with this issue, whether through a health care proxy or power of attorney, through private contractual arrangements. We have no problem with those situations," Duffy said, "but the fact here is that this is undermining the definition of marriage."

[Ifreann]

Don't know about first, but here's a complaint from the Family Research Council:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... c=fb&cc=fp

J.P. Duffy, vice president for communications at the Family Research Council, said Obama is pandering to a radical special interest group.

"There are many other ways to deal with this issue, whether through a health care proxy or power of attorney, through private contractual arrangements. We have no problem with those situations," Duffy said, "but the fact here is that this is undermining the definition of marriage."

You know, if the definition of marriage is "NO GAYZ ALLOWED", then I can live with it being undermined.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Don't know about first, but here's a complaint from the Family Research Council:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... c=fb&cc=fp

J.P. Duffy, vice president for communications at the Family Research Council, said Obama is pandering to a radical special interest group.

"There are many other ways to deal with this issue, whether through a health care proxy or power of attorney, through private contractual arrangements. We have no problem with those situations," Duffy said, "but the fact here is that this is undermining the definition of marriage."

Compassion undermines the definition of marriage?

[Ifreann]

Don't know about first, but here's a complaint from the Family Research Council:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... c=fb&cc=fp

J.P. Duffy, vice president for communications at the Family Research Council, said Obama is pandering to a radical special interest group.

"There are many other ways to deal with this issue, whether through a health care proxy or power of attorney, through private contractual arrangements. We have no problem with those situations," Duffy said, "but the fact here is that this is undermining the definition of marriage."

Compassion undermines the definition of marriage?

Compassion has no place in the sacred Christian sacrament of marriage. "Compassion? Fuck that shit, man" - Jesus

[Suisveria]

Socialized medicine isn't evil. In Canada, they have more physician visits per year. Its just that social medicine focuses on prevention instead of treatment.

[Manahakatouki]

Crazy people in crazy worlds....

[Redwulf]

Your mom.

No, YOUR mom!

No, MY mom!



Wait, i think i did that wrong . . .


On topic: About fucking time.

[Wustershershershaush]

Don't know about first, but here's a complaint from the Family Research Council:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... c=fb&cc=fp

J.P. Duffy, vice president for communications at the Family Research Council, said Obama is pandering to a radical special interest group.

"There are many other ways to deal with this issue, whether through a health care proxy or power of attorney, through private contractual arrangements. We have no problem with those situations," Duffy said, "but the fact here is that this is undermining the definition of marriage."

Compassion undermines the definition of marriage?

Compassion has no place in the sacred Christian sacrament of marriage. "Compassion? Fuck that shit, man" - Jesus

You're so hot when you quote the Bible.