Gay couple visitation. Who complains first?

[The Southern Dictators]

Whenever I went to hospital, people just walked to the ward desk and asked to see me.

In England.

Sure, you live in a decadent socialist European country with evil socialized medicine. How long did you have to wait to get you heart transplant, hmm?

Socialists don't have hearts, silly.

[Heavner]

-Snort- America sucks. Seriously - ever since Barrack Obama became pres', all people have been doing is bitch about his choices!!

Yeah, thats all I do all day long. We all stopped going to work or even sleeping, we just bitch about what he does, thats right.

well now that that's out in the open....

[Maxen von Bismarck]

The situation is already like Obama wants it. My uncle has been a doctor for almost 40 years (Left as you can be) and he says it already is like this. Obama is just pretending to fix something that doesn't need fixing so he doesn't have to answer any actual questions about gays in American society. Pathetic, but also a little crafty.

[Sharfghotten]

Whenever I went to hospital, people just walked to the ward desk and asked to see me.

In England.

Sure, you live in a decadent socialist European country with evil socialized medicine. How long did you have to wait to get you heart transplant, hmm?

So how bout that health insurance

[Tropicarno]

Whenever I went to hospital, people just walked to the ward desk and asked to see me.

In England.

Sure, you live in a decadent socialist European country with evil socialized medicine. How long did you have to wait to get you heart transplant, hmm?

So how bout that health insurance

[Farnhamia]

Whenever I went to hospital, people just walked to the ward desk and asked to see me.

In England.

Sure, you live in a decadent socialist European country with evil socialized medicine. How long did you have to wait to get you heart transplant, hmm?

So how bout that health insurance

Over here? We don't have that, all that bill did was make it mandatory for Americans to have health insurance and impose life sentences or death for people who refuse to buy it from private insurance companies. Of course, it will probably be struck down by the strict-constructionist Justices on the Supreme Court, because health insurance did not exist in the late 18th century, so it's unconstitutional. Don't you have any news services in you workers' paradise.

[Kayliea]

america is pretty backward.

[Farnhamia]

america is pretty backward.

Oh, I don't know. We get there eventually. We just have so many people, it takes a while to slap sense into them. Please don't generalize.

[Sharfghotten]

Over here? We don't have that, all that bill did was make it mandatory for Americans to have health insurance and impose life sentences or death for people who refuse to buy it from private insurance companies. Of course, it will probably be struck down by the strict-constructionist Justices on the Supreme Court, because health insurance did not exist in the late 18th century, so it's unconstitutional. Don't you have any news services in you workers' paradise.

Do you be an American?

Edit: Nevermind, read above.

I suppose I should say I don't agree with the healchcare bill bec<snip! There's a thread for that>

The point is, not allowing ill people visitors based on any characteristic is draconian and stupid. Unless the visitor has smallpox or something.

[Farnhamia]

Over here? We don't have that, all that bill did was make it mandatory for Americans to have health insurance and impose life sentences or death for people who refuse to buy it from private insurance companies. Of course, it will probably be struck down by the strict-constructionist Justices on the Supreme Court, because health insurance did not exist in the late 18th century, so it's unconstitutional. Don't you have any news services in you workers' paradise.

Do you be an American?

Edit: Nevermind, read above.

I also be sarcastic.

[Doitzel]

They can actually do that?

It's the federal government's primary method of regulating actually. If you want someone to do something, make federal funding conditional on it. It's like how there's no national drinking age, just a law that states have to set their drinking age to 21 if they want to receive federal highway funding. Same principle.

[Ashmoria]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/15/hospital.gay.visitation/index.html?hpt=C1

Barack Obama is ordering the Dept of Health and Human Services to require that all hospitals that receive federal money must allow broader visitation rules that would allow patients to choose who can visit.

So the question I'm wondering is this: Which public talking head is going to attack this first?

Hospital I went to, WE got to choose who gets to come visit us. If we get any visitors, we can just tell them we don't want to have visitors today.

you were probably conscious.

[Greed and Death]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/15/hospital.gay.visitation/index.html?hpt=C1

Barack Obama is ordering the Dept of Health and Human Services to require that all hospitals that receive federal money must allow broader visitation rules that would allow patients to choose who can visit.

So the question I'm wondering is this: Which public talking head is going to attack this first?

My money is on Limbaugh.

[Quadrimmina]

The situation is already like Obama wants it. My uncle has been a doctor for almost 40 years (Left as you can be) and he says it already is like this. Obama is just pretending to fix something that doesn't need fixing so he doesn't have to answer any actual questions about gays in American society. Pathetic, but also a little crafty.

So, just because your uncle's hospital has this, means every hospital does? He's trying to make sure that every hospital has this policy, such as Christian hospitals that are anti-gay. Some hospitals already offer this, but others don't. So yeah, he's addressing a basic human right denied...the right to see your sick, suffering, or dying loved one.

[Meroivinge]

The situation is already like Obama wants it. My uncle has been a doctor for almost 40 years (Left as you can be) and he says it already is like this. Obama is just pretending to fix something that doesn't need fixing so he doesn't have to answer any actual questions about gays in American society. Pathetic, but also a little crafty.

I think it's great that your uncle's hospital allows patients to chose who will stay with them when they are ill. There are plenty of hospitals that don't.

http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/09/hosp ... die-alone/

[Juristonia]

Yahoo article on this is already filling up with baggers whining about how Obama is yet again interfering with something he's not allowed to interfere in.
You know, despite being president and the system depending on federal funding and all.

It would be hilarious if these people weren't actually real and allowed to vote.

[Tekania]

Yahoo article on this is already filling up with baggers whining about how Obama is yet again interfering with something he's not allowed to interfere in.
You know, despite being president and the system depending on federal funding and all.

It would be hilarious if these people weren't actually real and allowed to vote.

So is FNC's online comments. Some people view forcing hospitals to honor powers of attorney and patients expressed wishes to be "obtrusive".

[Ermarian]

I think MSNBC will complain first, or at least get some crackpot to say "burn gays, yea" and then declare him a "Tea Partier."

If you still think the "Tea Party" is not a group of racist homophobe wingnuts, go ahead and poll them on gay marriage. I'm interested to see how centrist and "only concerned with fiscal responsibility" they'll turn out to be.

[Dyakovo]

Whenever I went to hospital, people just walked to the ward desk and asked to see me.

In England.

Sure, you live in a decadent socialist European country with evil socialized medicine. How long did you have to wait to get you heart transplant, hmm?

Socialists don't have hearts, silly.

That's why he needed a transplant...

[Skaladora]

I think it's great that your uncle's hospital allows patients to chose who will stay with them when they are ill. There are plenty of hospitals that don't.

http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/09/hosp ... die-alone/

I think I threw up in my mouth a little when reading this.

[Atnae]

If we start letting patients choose who may visit them, next thing you know we'll be allowing them to make informed decisions on their own medical care. (And not some actuary at the insurance agency as God intended it)

that's known as a slippery slope argument. The conclusion is incredibly overdrawn and this hardly qualifies as an argument.

[Escargothia]

The criticism should come from the left. Obama could have ordered this on his first day on the job. Why is he only now forthcoming with this "direction"?

[Imsogone]

On the right, Phred Phelps will complain first - probably by harassing a dead soldier's family (he doesn't have the balls to actually harass a gay person - Rosie O'Donnell might bite him).

On the left, Rosie O'Donnell and Oprah because, as has been previously mentioned, he didn't do it the first minute he was in office.

[Tekania]

If we start letting patients choose who may visit them, next thing you know we'll be allowing them to make informed decisions on their own medical care. (And not some actuary at the insurance agency as God intended it)

that's known as a slippery slope argument. The conclusion is incredibly overdrawn and this hardly qualifies as an argument.

Sarcasm is lost on some people.

[Skaladora]

On the right, Phred Phelps will complain first - probably by harassing a dead soldier's family (he doesn't have the balls to actually harass a gay person - Rosie O'Donnell might bite him)

As a gay person myself, if I ever saw Phelps and his hateful little bunch "protesting", I would probably punch the living shit out of him, and apologize/go stay a couple of months in prison later. I'm sure it'd be well worth the satisfaction.

Thankfully, I live in Canada, where freedom of speech =/= freedom of libel. Also, we can visit our loved ones at the hospital when they're sick without having to fight. Even if we did, considering the overwhelming numbers of gay male nurses, there'd probably be a benevolent soul willing to bend the rules for our benefit.