NationStates

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Joseph de Maistre wrote:“There is no philosophy without the art of ignoring objections.”

Sorry, guys, I'm not very good at memes, so have a topical quote instead.

Welcome to the sixteenth incarnation of the Right-Wing Discussion Thread. Following the proud tradition passed down from the long-standing crypto-leftist republican Lord Protector of the Thread, Herskerstad, and the thread's previous regent, the liberal infiltrator noble lady Fahran, I have seized power in a bloody putsch selflessly taken the responsibility of thread OP upon myself.

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If you have a penchant for the colour red and the thought of top hats and canes stirs your bloodlust, you might find yourself fitting in better over at the Left-Wing Discussion Thread.

Ah, that new thread smell.

Continuing from the last thread, Wilson was legitimately awful all things considered, he even screwed the peace negotiations to grandstand about his dream, which would become the... League of Nations.

To carry over the conversation from the last thread Wilson was a piece of shit. And unfortunately his philosophy is still the driving force in American foreign policy to this day

I would like to make sure you all know that Maximinus Thrax was the manliest motherfucker to ever live.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Galloism wrote:It's really best understood in terms of governmental hierarchy.

You're ordered by the state of California to take a certain action. If the feds are silent to the issue, you must comply. But if there's a United States law that says you can't take that action, then you must comply with federal law - the higher authority.

Similarly, if the Roman government tells you to take a certain action, and God is silent about it, you must comply. If that would violate an order from God, then you must comply with God - the higher authority.

It's really quite simple.

This is not unlike the military command to follow orders generally, unless those orders are in violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, passed by Congress, which is a higher authority than your commanding officer.

So again, where does it say "Leech off of the Roman state and obey the precepts handed down on explicitly religious terms except when it's incense"?

Given the NT has a lot of principles and very few laws, it's often up to Christians themselves to ferret out the details. Hence the split, as you mentioned earlier.

This is not unlike the United States last century - where a religious group refused to salute the flag because they saw it as a religious devotion, and filed a couple lawsuits over it. Other religions didn't agree, but that doesn't necessarily make their interpretation invalid, just different.

First one doesn't seem to talk about it being considered a religious devotion at all. Second one gives me an error message. In french.

Tracing it back through the site lands me on a very long article. I'm about halfway down and it hasn't mentioned religious devotion of tax paying at all. Can you tell me where to focus?

[11] Part of what made this system of taxation so complex was that it varied significantly from province to province and over time. In a consideration of the religious responsibilities inherent in Jesus' statement and taxation more generally it is useful to consider the situation in the region of Judea. Thanks to the writings of the New Testament and to the historian Josephus we are relatively well informed about Judea in the first century CE. If the first part of Jesus' statement "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's" was primarily a statement of the political responsibilities of taxation then "Render to God what is God's" can be read as a statement of religious responsibility. There are, of course, many valences to this simple expression, including more abstract responsibilities of religious duty to God in one's actions. However, for the purpose of taxation, I want to focus on the more concrete meanings of this seemingly simple statement. All of Roman taxation was linked in part to religious obligation. In a world in which the favor of the gods was seen as essential to the success of Rome, much of religious life was closely linked to the state. It is no surprise, then, that tax revenues helped to support a range of temples and festivals. Indeed, a fitting expression of this religious connection is offered by the central location in Rome of the Temple of Saturn where the tax revenues were kept.

The second one appears to not have said what I thought it said directly, but supports implications of other implications I should have cited if I was going to use it, I apologize for that.

I'd say the notion that taxes are used to support religious temples and festivals doesn't mean that taxation was a religious obligation, anymore than paying taxes to the United States is engaging in a death worshipping obligation. That seems like a major stretch. No one would reasonably interpret the fact that you paid taxes to the US means you support blowing up other countries, even if that's what a significant portion of your tax revenues are used for.

Once you pay the taxes, the money isn't yours anymore, and it's used in the way the state intends.

Diopolis wrote:Ah, that new thread smell.

But can you smell what a byte has cooked?

Also, Nea: Epic Rap Battles of History. Pretty neat rap battles, sometimes.

Proctopeo wrote:Continuing from the last thread, Wilson was legitimately awful all things considered, he even screwed the peace negotiations to grandstand about his dream, which would become the... League of Nations.

Which we never joined. Honestly I wish nobody in republicans had challenged Teddy. Because he could have easily won against Wilson and most likely would have gotten involved in WW1 a lot earlier.

Also this is my 50,000th post. God I’ve spent to much time here

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I would like to make sure you all know that Maximinus Thrax was the manliest motherfucker to ever live.

As a proud Thracian, even I must agree...

Duhon wrote:

Diopolis wrote:Ah, that new thread smell.

But can you smell what a byte has cooked?

Also, Nea: Epic Rap Battles of History. Pretty neat rap battles, sometimes.

I’ve learned a lot of history things from those

Proctopeo wrote:Continuing from the last thread, Wilson was legitimately awful all things considered, he even screwed the peace negotiations to grandstand about his dream, which would become the... League of Nations.

While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I would like to make sure you all know that Maximinus Thrax was the manliest motherfucker to ever live.

As a proud Thracian, even I must agree...

>8 feet tall
>punched a horses teeth out
>ate 60 pounds of meat a day
>had a 16 v 1 fight and won
>the soldiers tasked with killing him were literally too scared to try

Sure a lot of it is probably BS but still, what a boss

A thread in the RWDT has the same lifespan as an Italian government.

North German Realm wrote:

Proctopeo wrote:Continuing from the last thread, Wilson was legitimately awful all things considered, he even screwed the peace negotiations to grandstand about his dream, which would become the... League of Nations.

While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.

Jackson was nowhere near as shitty as Wilson

Thermodolia wrote:

Duhon wrote:
But can you smell what a byte has cooked?

Also, Nea: Epic Rap Battles of History. Pretty neat rap battles, sometimes.

I’ve learned a lot of history things from those

The only thing I've learnt from it was the existence of flyting, which should've been the name of rapping from the get-go. Fucking American education system.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:As a proud Thracian, even I must agree...

>8 feet tall
>punched a horses teeth out
>ate 60 pounds of meat a day
>had a 16 v 1 fight and won
>the soldiers tasked with killing him were literally too scared to try

Sure a lot of it is probably BS but still, what a boss

The stories about him and loosely based on my ancient autobiography.

And so the Mandate of Heaven has passed from the perfidious Fahran dynasty to the legitimate House of Tyrannia.

All is well.

Thermodolia wrote: Which we never joined. Honestly I wish nobody in republicans had challenged Teddy. Because he could have easily won against Wilson and most likely would have gotten involved in WW1 a lot earlier.

Death to Taft, we must uphold Bull Moose Progressivism and Theodore Roosevelt Thought.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:As a proud Thracian, even I must agree...

>8 feet tall
>punched a horses teeth out
>ate 60 pounds of meat a day
>had a 16 v 1 fight and won
>the soldiers tasked with killing him were literally too scared to try

Sure a lot of it is probably BS but still, what a boss

It is very likely bullshit, as that comes from that fucking Historia Augusta -- useful only because so much else of Greco-Roman literature has been lost and will never, ever be recovered.

Duhon wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
>8 feet tall
>punched a horses teeth out
>ate 60 pounds of meat a day
>had a 16 v 1 fight and won
>the soldiers tasked with killing him were literally too scared to try

Sure a lot of it is probably BS but still, what a boss

It is very likely bullshit, as that comes from that fucking Historia Augusta -- useful only because so much else of Greco-Roman literature has been lost and will never, ever be recovered.

You're just mad you're not 8 feet tall and Emperor

Conserative Morality wrote:

Thermodolia wrote: Which we never joined. Honestly I wish nobody in republicans had challenged Teddy. Because he could have easily won against Wilson and most likely would have gotten involved in WW1 a lot earlier.

Death to Taft, we must uphold Bull Moose Progressivism and Theodore Roosevelt Thought.

Here here!!

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:As a proud Thracian, even I must agree...

>8 feet tall
>punched a horses teeth out
>ate 60 pounds of meat a day
>had a 16 v 1 fight and won
>the soldiers tasked with killing him were literally too scared to try

Sure a lot of it is probably BS but still, what a boss

I knew he was cool...I didn't know he was that cool, though.

North German Realm wrote:

Proctopeo wrote:Continuing from the last thread, Wilson was legitimately awful all things considered, he even screwed the peace negotiations to grandstand about his dream, which would become the... League of Nations.

While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.

While the Trail of Tears was completely fucked up and completely unnecessary, he did not cause the same absurd levels of lasting damage to most people (who were not Cherokee) that Wilson did.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Duhon wrote:
It is very likely bullshit, as that comes from that fucking Historia Augusta -- useful only because so much else of Greco-Roman literature has been lost and will never, ever be recovered.

You're just mad you're not 8 feet tall and Emperor

I can't be mad about people suffering from fucking gigantism, dude. I only get real pissed off when it's books -- I'm papyrosexual --

North German Realm wrote:

Proctopeo wrote:Continuing from the last thread, Wilson was legitimately awful all things considered, he even screwed the peace negotiations to grandstand about his dream, which would become the... League of Nations.

While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.

Andrew Jackson was the man who (symbolically or otherwise) shifted the image of Republicanism away from the coastal elite and towards average Americans.