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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:54 pm

You know, the use of gas in warfare was probably one of humanity's lowest lows imo.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:56 pm

Salus Maior wrote:You know, the use of gas in warfare was probably one of humanity's lowest lows imo.

I don’t think it’s the absolute worst, but it’s somewhere on that list.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:57 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You know, the use of gas in warfare was probably one of humanity's lowest lows imo.

I don’t think it’s the absolute worst, but it’s somewhere on that list.


True.

I guess we did manage to top that in WWII with gas chambers for civilians, terror bombings, unrestricted sub warfare, and of course nukes. Oh, and napalm.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:58 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:I don’t think it’s the absolute worst, but it’s somewhere on that list.


True.

I guess we did manage to top that in WWII with gas chambers for civilians, terror bombings, unrestricted sub warfare, and of course nukes. Oh, and napalm.

I don’t know a problem with the nukes. Everything else, though...
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Turbofolkia wrote:And it’s not like the 1000 different offshoots of Protestantism that you have in America are any better. Even if they’re not abusing children, it’s just megachurches filled with people on mobility strollers donating their life savings to Pastor Hamburglar so that he can buy his sixth McMansion.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:01 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
True.

I guess we did manage to top that in WWII with gas chambers for civilians, terror bombings, unrestricted sub warfare, and of course nukes. Oh, and napalm.

I don’t know a problem with the nukes. Everything else, though...


Obliterating a city of civilians with a single bomb isn't a moral problem?

Not to mention all the people who die of radiation poisoning and things like cancer.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:16 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:I don’t know a problem with the nukes. Everything else, though...


Obliterating a city of civilians with a single bomb isn't a moral problem?

Not to mention all the people who die of radiation poisoning and things like cancer.

Which is Hiroshima?
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Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

Turbofolkia wrote:And it’s not like the 1000 different offshoots of Protestantism that you have in America are any better. Even if they’re not abusing children, it’s just megachurches filled with people on mobility strollers donating their life savings to Pastor Hamburglar so that he can buy his sixth McMansion.

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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:17 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:I don’t know a problem with the nukes. Everything else, though...


Obliterating a city of civilians with a single bomb isn't a moral problem?

Not to mention all the people who die of radiation poisoning and things like cancer.


It was necessary to prevent even more deaths. An outright invasion or massive famine from the collapse of the Japanese economy would have killed far more.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:20 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Obliterating a city of civilians with a single bomb isn't a moral problem?

Not to mention all the people who die of radiation poisoning and things like cancer.

Which is Hiroshima?
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What's your point? That while maybe gassing civilians is bad, completely obliterating them with nuclear fire and leaving others to die slowly of poisoning and cancer is fine?
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:25 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:Which is Hiroshima?
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What's your point? That while maybe gassing civilians is bad, completely obliterating them with nuclear fire and leaving others to die slowly of poisoning and cancer is fine?


Fine no, but justified if better than the alternative.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:29 pm

Novus America wrote:
Fine no, but justified if better than the alternative.


I'm not really asking for whether or not its use was justified. But if you need to vocalize it to not think about what the U.S actually did by making that decision go ahead.
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. -1 Timothy 1:15

“My entire endeavor has always been to clearly recognize the Will of God in all things and to follow it as completely as possible.” -Blessed Charles of Austria, last Habsburg Emperor

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:57 pm

Novus America wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Obliterating a city of civilians with a single bomb isn't a moral problem?

Not to mention all the people who die of radiation poisoning and things like cancer.


It was necessary to prevent even more deaths. An outright invasion or massive famine from the collapse of the Japanese economy would have killed far more.


It would've been hell on Earth for the Japanese had the 8/15 Incident resulted in a successful coup and continuation of the war.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:02 pm

Had Nicholas Trist died in the Fall of 1847 from the disease outbreaks than spreading among the American forces in Mexico City, the United States would've annexed all of Mexico in 1848 and the world would've been a better place for it.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:44 pm

Like Tars said, we can't really debate whether it was justified or not, it's still wrong that hundreds of thousands of people were destroyed in an instant. Such devices shouldn't exist and should fill us with fear.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:49 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Like Tars said, we can't really debate whether it was justified or not, it's still wrong that hundreds of thousands of people were destroyed in an instant. Such devices shouldn't exist and should fill us with fear.


The alternative was that Japan would not exist as a nation-state and that, eventually, you'd have Soviet tanks at the Channel. All things considered, Nuclear weapons are one of the best things ever invented and even now the research that led to them is taking us in the path of Nuclear Fusion which will change everything for Humanity.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:53 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Like Tars said, we can't really debate whether it was justified or not, it's still wrong that hundreds of thousands of people were destroyed in an instant. Such devices shouldn't exist and should fill us with fear.


The alternative was that Japan would not exist as a nation-state and that, eventually, you'd have Soviet tanks at the Channel. All things considered, Nuclear weapons are one of the best things ever invented and even now the research that led to them is taking us in the path of Nuclear Fusion which will change everything for Humanity.

As Tolkien said, what I know is that God doesn't look favorably on Babel-builders.
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Even the apologists of industrialism have been obliged to admit that some economic evils follow in the wake of the machines. These are such as overproduction, unemployment, and a growing inequality in the distribution of wealth. But the remedies proposed by the apologists are always homeopathic. They expect the evils to disappear when we have bigger and better machines, and more of them. Their remedial programs, therefore, look forward to more industrialism.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:57 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Like Tars said, we can't really debate whether it was justified or not, it's still wrong that hundreds of thousands of people were destroyed in an instant. Such devices shouldn't exist and should fill us with fear.


The bombing with the highest death toll, that of Tokyo was done without nuclear bombs.
We can debate that it was justified, in war you have to make such decisions.
Such as to kill 100,000 to save a million.
War is not for the faint of heart.

Nuclear weapons are not inherently worse than any other weapon.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:58 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The alternative was that Japan would not exist as a nation-state and that, eventually, you'd have Soviet tanks at the Channel. All things considered, Nuclear weapons are one of the best things ever invented and even now the research that led to them is taking us in the path of Nuclear Fusion which will change everything for Humanity.

As Tolkien said, what I know is that God doesn't look favorably on Babel-builders.


That same argument could be used to justify the abandoning of the Internet, Modern Medicine and many other facts of modern day life.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:59 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:As Tolkien said, what I know is that God doesn't look favorably on Babel-builders.


That same argument could be used to justify the abandoning of the Internet, Modern Medicine and many other facts of modern day life.

Yes.
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:01 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Like Tars said, we can't really debate whether it was justified or not, it's still wrong that hundreds of thousands of people were destroyed in an instant. Such devices shouldn't exist and should fill us with fear.

My Khalifa repeatedly warns us about nuclear war in his speeche, warning us if the world continues down the way it's going, we could have a nuclear disaster.

If all the books of the apocalypse describing fire coming from heaven came to manifestation, it would be through nuclear war.
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:03 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:Had Nicholas Trist died in the Fall of 1847 from the disease outbreaks than spreading among the American forces in Mexico City, the United States would've annexed all of Mexico in 1848 and the world would've been a better place for it.


It would have been better had that happened. He deliberately ignored instructions and completely botched the negotiations.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:07 pm

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Totally Not OEP wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:As Tolkien said, what I know is that God doesn't look favorably on Babel-builders.


That same argument could be used to justify the abandoning of the Internet, Modern Medicine and many other facts of modern day life.


Yes, it is not a good argument at all. It could apply to any tool use. Anything beyond running naked through the jungle like other apes.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:09 pm

I don't think that we will ever really reach a full understanding of the role of the atomic bombings in the imperial decision to surrender, the bombings in imperial briefings were mentioned in conjunction with the Soviet declaration of war which cancelled the hopes of the militarists that some sort of white peace could be bargained for. One general commented that the bombing and declaration of war were both a blessing in disguise because they allowed the government to surrender for reasons other than popular unrest over food shortages.

But speaking about Tolkien, I was reading an article about his view of language and the relation to human expression.

Tolkien wrote:Language—and more so as expression than as communication [we need to return to this proviso later]—is a natural product of our humanity. But it is therefore also a product of our individuality. We each have our own personal linguistic potential: we each have a native language. But that is not the language that we speak, our cradle-tongue, the first-learned. Linguistically we all wear ready-made clothes, and our native language comes seldom to expression, save perhaps by pulling at the ready made till it sits a little easier. But though it may be buried, it is never wholly extinguished, and contact with other languages may stir it deeply.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:11 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You know, the use of gas in warfare was probably one of humanity's lowest lows imo.

I don’t think it’s the absolute worst, but it’s somewhere on that list.

I don't really see how you can bemoan the use of chemical weapons but not nuclear weapons.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:18 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:I don't think that we will ever really reach a full understanding of the role of the atomic bombings in the imperial decision to surrender, the bombings in imperial briefings were mentioned in conjunction with the Soviet declaration of war which cancelled the hopes of the militarists that some sort of white peace could be bargained for. One general commented that the bombing and declaration of war were both a blessing in disguise because they allowed the government to surrender for reasons other than popular unrest over food shortages.

But speaking about Tolkien, I was reading an article about his view of language and the relation to human expression.

Tolkien wrote:Language—and more so as expression than as communication [we need to return to this proviso later]—is a natural product of our humanity. But it is therefore also a product of our individuality. We each have our own personal linguistic potential: we each have a native language. But that is not the language that we speak, our cradle-tongue, the first-learned. Linguistically we all wear ready-made clothes, and our native language comes seldom to expression, save perhaps by pulling at the ready made till it sits a little easier. But though it may be buried, it is never wholly extinguished, and contact with other languages may stir it deeply.


The Atomic Bombings were very decisive, the whole "Soviet declaration of war" bit is mainly revisionism.
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Postby ElCKuT » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:23 am

Assalaamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakaatuhu! May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah SWT be upon you. I'm baaaaaack! :lol:
Ok, Imma make a reeeeaaaallly long post so Imma put it in the spoiler:
Hanafuridake wrote:Germanic culture, Latin culture, Hindu culture, East Asian culture aren't worth preserving?
To me, Islamic culture means more than other cultures.
Hanafuridake wrote:There are massive cultural differences between traditionally Muslim peoples. Islam has cultural aspects like all religions but it's not a culture itself.
True but like I said, Al-Islam has rules for just about every single aspect of our lives that it might as well be its own culture.
Novus America wrote:Which is why we need to not reply when someone tries to start such a thread jack.
Or report them.
Novus America wrote:We can just ignore those same empty comments we have heard over and over.
Though I disagree with this. Someone threadjacking doesn't make their messages empty.
Novus America wrote:This is very true. It should be noted that as much as I want to put a stop to Salafism, I (unlike the PRC) do not want to attempt to ban Islam, let alone exterminate it from people who have adopted it.
I just want to stop the spread of the aggressive strains.
Then why were you talking about how you wanted to end the "Islamic threat"?
Al Mumtahanah wrote:I don't why unbelievers imagine Sufism is some sort of sect or liberal version of Islam. It's a mystical practice.
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New Byzantia wrote:Turkish accomplishments? You mean despoiling, genociding and robbing the Greeks, Armenians and Slavs for centuries?
That's an biased, ignorant view of Turkish history. A heck of a lot more things happened than just that.
Bienenhalde wrote:Is the problem really "effeminacy", per se, or is it that we have replaced healthy masculinity with more toxic and degenerate forms of masculinity?
Probs a little bit of both. Though I'd like to be optimistic about things and say true masculinity still exists.
Kowani wrote:1: Neo-Nazis.
2: It implies that society has gotten worse, when that’s just untrue.
Well, in some cases it is true.
Capuccina wrote:Ataturk shouldn't have attempted to secularize Turkey, that's where he erred. Instead trying to turn Turkey into a European nation, he should've modernized within an Islamic framework.
This
Kowani wrote:This is why I hate English.
:lol2:
Nakena wrote:He should have embraced the Tengri.
No, he should've re-embraced Al-Islam. That or be [redacted because of site rules]
Nakena wrote:Why?
Because English is dumb
Kowani wrote:Amorality is fine if motivated by sound logic. Not if done so by sociopathy.
But there's nothing to criticize from if someone does so by sociopathy.
Kowani wrote:Secularism is the worst of diseases, the greatest plague there is.
I'd say that it's ShayTaan (Satan). Secularism is just one of the symptoms of him.
Kowani wrote:We could always try that now...Heck, maybe we could even convince the Russians to get in on it.
Pls no, I don't want another war :(
Al Mumtahanah wrote:How is that secularism?
Because kufr (disbelief) law is secularism, something that they are allowed to live by.
Jolthig wrote:Yet, it's secular to the point that non muslims dont adhere to Islamic teachings
Also, not all religions have their own laws so their adherents would naturally abide by kufr law
Al Mumtahanah wrote:>protest snip<
Insha-Allah the protesters win

Also, nuclear/atomic/other types of those bombs are Haraam and must be destroyed. No nation should have them.
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