Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Novus America]

Umm yeah. You realize the rest of the world has a trade deficit with the US too?
Same thing applies.

Maybe that's a good thing then, since you seem so sure that the US is the victim of so many bad trade deals. The rest of the world can be shielded from you and Trump and you can rant about MAGA in peace. Free from the foreigners.

Obviously the US has been the victim, or there would be no trade deficit.

But Trump is off base, the problem is the WTO, not bilateral trade deals. We actually have a net surplus with most the countries we have trade deals with. The deficit is mostly with countries we have no deal with. Like Japan, Germany and the PRC.

So Japan needs to come to the table, or face penalties.
I am willing to cut a fair and balanced deal with Japan, but it would include stipulations to reduce the deficit. And if Japan refuses the tariffs would be coming down hard.

I mean the US did best when we were most self sufficient.
But still I am not against all trade, but only if it is balanced and fair.
Plenty of countries are willing to make bilateral deals with us, on terms we find agreeable.

Those that do not should have to deal with appropriate tariffs.

[Jolthig]

Right. Yeah, I'm still not big in free trade. That's my issue with neoliberalism and neoconservativism. Too much deregulation.


So you're saying Japan should go back to its isolationist era?

Yes, I suppose FAIR trade, not “free trade”. Trade should include stipulations to mitigate labor abuses, environmental destruction and the like.
We should condition our trade on the other party meeting standards in those areas or at least include specific penalties if they do not.

Right.

[Jolthig]

Umm yeah. You realize the rest of the world has a trade deficit with the US too?
Same thing applies.

Maybe that's a good thing then, since you seem so sure that the US is the victim of so many bad trade deals. The rest of the world can be shielded from you and Trump and you can rant about MAGA in peace. Free from the foreigners.

Yeah no, that's not going to happen any time soon. Nationalism is only a dream in this globalized society.

[Benuty]

Umm yeah. You realize the rest of the world has a trade deficit with the US too?
Same thing applies.

Maybe that's a good thing then, since you seem so sure that the US is the victim of so many bad trade deals. The rest of the world can be shielded from you and Trump and you can rant about MAGA in peace. Free from the foreigners.

The only way to be free is to ensure the United States is the only habitable place left on the planet. If we go far enough on the logical extreme of this train ride.

[Benuty]

Honestly, if the Enclave had focused on setting up space stations, and then evacuating the earth they could have won. The chosen one had no way to head to space if the enclave decided to obliterate all traces of mutation with fev missiles. Following the genocide, any unopened vaults should have been contacted, and any gecks in storage should have been used.

[Kowani]

Honestly, if the Enclave had focused on setting up space stations, and then evacuating the earth they could have won. The chosen one had no way to head to space if the enclave decided to obliterate all traces of mutation with fev missiles. Following the genocide, any unopened vaults should have been contacted, and any gecks in storage should have been used.

…What?

[Northern Davincia]

The fall of the Soviet Union was a moral disaster for our need a solid other to campaign against. Terrorist groups and shadow networks aren't as valuable for propaganda purposes especially when the president needs to play the crowd.

This^

As odd as it might be to say we needed the Soviet Union to keep ourselves united.

We didn't need it beforehand.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This^

As odd as it might be to say we needed the Soviet Union to keep ourselves united.

We didn't need it beforehand.

Because we always had something else to take its place. Now we don't.

[Nakena]

Honestly, if the Enclave had focused on setting up space stations, and then evacuating the earth they could have won. The chosen one had no way to head to space if the enclave decided to obliterate all traces of mutation with fev missiles. Following the genocide, any unopened vaults should have been contacted, and any gecks in storage should have been used.

…What?

When ascended wokeness is a few turns to far ahead for the rest to comprehend.

[Benuty]

Honestly, if the Enclave had focused on setting up space stations, and then evacuating the earth they could have won. The chosen one had no way to head to space if the enclave decided to obliterate all traces of mutation with fev missiles. Following the genocide, any unopened vaults should have been contacted, and any gecks in storage should have been used.

…What?

In the game, (Fallout 2) they had plans to go to space, but by the time they reached Bloomfield the tech was so screwed up, they scrapped it. I reference the Enclave because its the logical extreme of the US being truly free at the expense of everyone else is dead. They essentially got defeated because a primitive tribal figured out how to sail a boat, and infiltrate their base.

[Kowani]

…What?

In the game, (Fallout 2) they had plans to go to space, but by the time they reached Bloomfield the tech was so screwed up, they scrapped it. I reference the Enclave because its the logical extreme of the US being truly free at the expense of everyone else is dead. They essentially got defeated because a primitive tribal figured out how to sail a boat, and infiltrate their base.

…I see.

[Benuty]

On the topic of fallout, for the Old World Blues mod, they are planning an event to try Caesar as a war criminal if you defeat him as the United States.

[Novus America]

We didn't need it beforehand.

Because we always had something else to take its place. Now we don't.

We have the perfect one. The PRC. More people just need to realize it.
The PRC is the rival, the treat, the other, the thing we must all unite against or be destroyed.

[Benuty]

…What?

When ascended wokeness is a few turns to far ahead for the rest to comprehend.

-> When the enclave are considered woke for trying to save what they believe to be the remnants of pure pre-war humanity from a hellish wasteland.

Admittedly they probably wanted to flood the globe with FEV not to just kill those mutated, but also probably kill anyone left alive in the glowing remains of the Peoples Republic of China.

[Nakena]

When ascended wokeness is a few turns to far ahead for the rest to comprehend.

-> When the enclave are considered woke for trying to save what they believe to be the remnants of pure pre-war humanity from a hellish wasteland.

Admittedly they probably wanted to flood the globe with FEV not to just kill those mutated, but also probably kill anyone left alive in the glowing remains of the Peoples Republic of China.

I am more with the Brotherhood of Steel but thats me. Has been a while since I've played Fallout.

[Benuty]

Because we always had something else to take its place. Now we don't.

We have the perfect one. The PRC. More people just need to realize it.
The PRC is the rival, the treat, the other, the thing we must all unite against or be destroyed.

I mean we pretty much are handing Pakistan over to them, and rather stupidly at that. Sure the Pakistani government is an enigma which took our money to support a bloated military that couldn't wipe out terrorists to save its life, but still.

[Benuty]

-> When the enclave are considered woke for trying to save what they believe to be the remnants of pure pre-war humanity from a hellish wasteland.

Admittedly they probably wanted to flood the globe with FEV not to just kill those mutated, but also probably kill anyone left alive in the glowing remains of the Peoples Republic of China.

I am more with the Brotherhood of Steel but thats me. Has been a while since I've played Fallout.

To paraphrase the biggest cosplayer i.e Caesar "they have no plan, and no future".

[Hanafuridake]

On the topic of fallout, for the Old World Blues mod, they are planning an event to try Caesar as a war criminal if you defeat him as the United States.

I don't see how they could try him for crimes when he did nothing wrong.

[Northern Davincia]

We didn't need it beforehand.

Because we always had something else to take its place. Now we don't.

Who was this looming other prior to World War II?

[Benuty]

While I respect the eastern brotherhood for actually caring about the people they rule over they are the exception. Every other brotherhood branch is when you strip them down a bunch of hoarders in heavy-duty armor that uses genocide as a measure of convenience because people don't like having life-saving tech stolen from them.

[Benuty]

On the topic of fallout, for the Old World Blues mod, they are planning an event to try Caesar as a war criminal if you defeat him as the United States.

I don't see how they could try him for crimes when he did nothing wrong.

Considering the fact I had to spend a nice portion of New Vegas mercy killing the poor bastards his army crucified I disagree.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because we always had something else to take its place. Now we don't.

Who was this looming other prior to World War II?

The entire outside world pretty much.

[Benuty]

Because we always had something else to take its place. Now we don't.

Who was this looming other prior to World War II?

Well, we weren't actually sure if it was going to be Britain or Germany since we actually drew up plans to invade Britain (or at the very least Canada) and decapitate their continental assets.

[Hanafuridake]

I don't see how they could try him for crimes when he did nothing wrong.

Considering the fact I had to spend a nice portion of New Vegas mercy killing the poor bastards his army crucified I disagree.

He was just letting them experience Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ firsthand.

[Totally Not OEP]

Who was this looming other prior to World War II?

Well, we weren't actually sure if it was going to be Britain or Germany since we actually drew up plans to invade Britain (or at the very least Canada) and decapitate their continental assets.

To be fair, the color code War Plans had scenarios for France, the Soviet Union, Germany, Mexico, Japan and the UK most famously.