Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Totally Not OEP]

It sucks



When have I shilled for Warren?

pretty sure you told me you were liking warren's platform on one of our most recent talks

which doesnt surprise me at all since you are a natsyn (barely qualifiable for rightwing :behehe: )

I like some of the general ideas, yes. In particular, that 40% of Corporate boards be elected representatives of the workers. Her ideas for education are also, in general sound, if lacking in essential information as it relates to funding them as I pointed out.

[Great Minarchistan]

pretty sure you told me you were liking warren's platform on one of our most recent talks

which doesnt surprise me at all since you are a natsyn (barely qualifiable for rightwing :behehe: )

I like some of the general ideas, yes. In particular, that 40% of Corporate boards be elected representatives of the workers. Her ideas for education are also, in general sound, if lacking in essential information as it relates to funding them as I pointed out.

>peddling tripartism
ok corporatist

[Nakena]

Pssh. Post-capitalism for the win!

If it works out...

I know that feel.

It sucks

For me it means have more time than I should for NS. Shit can hit the fan from different directions.

pretty sure you told me you were liking warren's platform on one of our most recent talks

which doesnt surprise me at all since you are a natsyn (barely qualifiable for rightwing :behehe: )

I like some of the general ideas, yes. In particular, that 40% of Corporate boards be elected representatives of the workers. Her ideas for education are also, in general sound, if lacking in essential information as it relates to funding them as I pointed out.

wtf. Not saying I luv her now but this is definetively interesting direction shes taking.

[Totally Not OEP]

Pssh. Post-capitalism for the win!

If it works out...

It sucks

For me it means have more time than I should for NS. Shit can hit the fan from different directions.

I like some of the general ideas, yes. In particular, that 40% of Corporate boards be elected representatives of the workers. Her ideas for education are also, in general sound, if lacking in essential information as it relates to funding them as I pointed out.

wtf. Not saying I luv her now but this is definetively interesting direction shes taking.

I'm a National Syndicalist, ideally all businesses should become worker-owned/run.

[Great Minarchistan]

If it works out...



For me it means have more time than I should for NS. Shit can hit the fan from different directions.



wtf. Not saying I luv her now but this is definetively interesting direction shes taking.

I'm a National Syndicalist, ideally all businesses should become worker-owned/run.

so essentially just one profit motive away from going socialist tbh

[Kowani]

Pssh. Post-capitalism for the win!

If it works out...

Don’t be so pessimistic, my friend!

[Totally Not OEP]

I'm a National Syndicalist, ideally all businesses should become worker-owned/run.

so essentially just one profit motive away from going socialist tbh

Research shows that worker-owned businesses are 11% more profitable and weather economic downturns better. Small businesses and such should be left alone, however, given scale.

[Al Mumtahanah]

The Economist said Warren is the savior of capitalism

if its not an op-ed then its probably bs

The Economist is all either op-ed or psy-op

[Great Minarchistan]

so essentially just one profit motive away from going socialist tbh

Research shows that worker-owned businesses are 11% more profitable and weather economic downturns better. Small businesses and such should be left alone, however, given scale.

I wonder whats the causation effect if theres any, maybe it just has to do with the different pattern of ownership

[Nakena]

If it works out...



For me it means have more time than I should for NS. Shit can hit the fan from different directions.



wtf. Not saying I luv her now but this is definetively interesting direction shes taking.

I'm a National Syndicalist, ideally all businesses should become worker-owned/run.

I am sympathic to the idea of cooperatives in general and made good experiences with it.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Because it inflicts significant emotional/mental harm about the aggrieved spouse and any children as well, often leading to family breakdown with serious consequences for all involved.

It does indirect harm sure, but it doesn't do direct harm, it's too hard to effectively legislate whist maintaining innocent until proven guilty, and it makes the business of what goes on in the bedroom a matter of state.

There's just no way that I could ever see the death penalty as a proportionate punishment for adultery. Punitive fines would make more sense to me.

You support fining people for adultery?

It has worked fine for me for twenty-six years. Granted, I have been unsuccessful in trying to avoid

masturbation or sexual fantasies.

Nothing wrong with masturbation.

That's not the death penalty though. And certainly infidelity on the part of the husband is also a grounds for divorce. But infidelity in-general is the only time I'm in favor of divorce (which is one area I strongly differ with the Church on, I think our stance on divorce is too liberal).

What's wrong with people divorcing for less? If two people marry, they have a right to break off their relationship.

Urinating in public is indecent exposure, a sex crime. Adulterers should have a legal and social stigma similar to other sexual criminals.

Indecent exposure isn't necessarily a sex crime, and adultery should have nowhere near the stigma of rape or pedophilia.

I can feel the disdain oozing from the post, mate.

Nah, he actually is a proud neoliberal bank shill. It's weird.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

On the whole divorce thing, a lot of people are blaming the increase in divorce over the past 40 years or so on social degeneration or liberal secular evilness or whatever, and while a change in societal values may play a small part in it. I think a lot of the increase has to do with divorce law becoming more liberal. This says to me that instead of marriages being ruined left and right, it's moreso that unhappy marriages are broken off where previously they would have been stuck. A good divorce is better than a bad marriage. Also, contrary to popular belief, the divorce rate is more like 1 in 4 than 1 in 2.

[New haven america]

On the whole divorce thing, a lot of people are blaming the increase in divorce over the past 40 years or so on social degeneration or liberal secular evilness or whatever, and while a change in societal values may play a small part in it. I think a lot of the increase has to do with divorce law becoming more liberal. This says to me that instead of marriages being ruined left and right, it's moreso that unhappy marriages are broken off where previously they would have been stuck. A good divorce is better than a bad marriage. Also, contrary to popular belief, the divorce rate is more like 1 in 4 than 1 in 2.

Also, divorces rates have been falling a lot in recent years, mainly because people are actually taking their time to become financially secure and find a partner they truly want to be with rather than just getting married right out of high school or college.

[Novus America]

In the overall topic of the family, I think quite a bit could be done to improve the situation if we get the economics right. Money is the number one cause of divorces, delayed marriages and child bearing, and is often an element in the second largest factor of failed marriages, infidelity.

Now this I support.
Making families financially more stable is much superior than trying to terrorize people into staying in bad marriages (which would just discourage new ones).

Make families economically viable, more people have them.
Make draconian family laws and you actually discourage them.
Interesting note, Iran has a lower birth rate than the US.

Anyways boomers aside divorce rates have been dropping. And for boomers they are past child raising age anyways.

[Novus America]

I'm a National Syndicalist, ideally all businesses should become worker-owned/run.

I am sympathic to the idea of cooperatives in general and made good experiences with it.

I definitely support greater worker ownership.
I do not think only cooperatives should be allowed, but maybe require large corporations to give a certain amount of stock to worker control.

Our laws for cooperatives are already pretty good, and they are common at the lower levels. The issue is more lack of worker representation in the megacorps.

[Mostrov]

Women should not face corporal punishment for it, owing to a more delicate constitution.

They can be caned on their hands, thighs or buttocks without any danger of serious injury. The trick is to use a thinner birch.

Since Tolkien won the last poll, I've been rereading some Tolkien stuff, and there's so many good audiobooks of it now that I like to listen to as I follow along, really drives home how LOTR is like an epic poem.

While I agree, I find myself confused as to why he is popular: the Aeneid and the Illiad are both inaccessible (even in translation) to the general public without a great deal of commentary. Epic Poetry is something that is utterly alien to society in its current form of Late Capitalism. Then, why is it that the Lord of the Rings is so popular? It was written to be read and fully readable by only one man, Tolkien himself.

I've been exploring some of his letters and other works on philology, especially because philology plays a major role in my religious and political beliefs. The comparison between LOTR and epic poetry is pretty spot on, since he wanted to give England a mythology to be proud of.

Have you read his translation of Beowulf? What other works of his philology are you familiar with?

[Nea Byzantia]

Whether or not you think it is a good idea is different than if it is a feasible one.
They are not going to agree to such a thing. Plus Saudi/Qatar conflict goes deeper than just the Muslim Brotherhood problem.
Autocratic unions rarely work well, because well autocrats rarely enjoy sharing true power.

It actually doesn't go deeper, that is when they become enemies. Muslim states need support, right now they rely mostly on America for it, even autocrats agree to that arrangement and allow American bases. This is an alternative

Exactly, which is why none of the Great Powers (Russia, China, the United States) will allow something like that.

[Nea Byzantia]

I am sympathic to the idea of cooperatives in general and made good experiences with it.

I definitely support greater worker ownership.
I do not think only cooperatives should be allowed, but maybe require large corporations to give a certain amount of stock to worker control.

Our laws for cooperatives are already pretty good, and they are common at the lower levels. The issue is more lack of worker representation in the megacorps.

It probably wouldn't hurt to break-up a lot of the megacorps, especially the ones with strangleholds on major industries (which is almost all of 'em)

[Novus America]

I definitely support greater worker ownership.
I do not think only cooperatives should be allowed, but maybe require large corporations to give a certain amount of stock to worker control.

Our laws for cooperatives are already pretty good, and they are common at the lower levels. The issue is more lack of worker representation in the megacorps.

It probably wouldn't hurt to break-up a lot of the megacorps, especially the ones with strangleholds on major industries (which is almost all of 'em)

It might be necessary in some cases. At the very least international corporations as currently exist must end, it should be mandated that if a company wants to operate in another country it must make a true additional company fully under that country’s laws.
And all profits made by that subsidiary subject to local tax laws, no shifting profits to tax havens.
Because of common ownership corporations could still operate internationally but they could no longer operate with impunity.
No corporations should ever be above the law of any country they operate in or sell products too.

Also they should be required to be incorporated in the country where their primary physical headquarters is.

We really need to crack down on corporations skipping the law by simply moving certain operations elsewhere. If they want access to our markets, they MUST follow all our laws.

The shipping industry is the worst. Nearly all ships now use BS rent a flags from places like Liberia, despite the ship never having gone anywhere near Liberia.
(Liberia’s ship registry is actually a company in Virginia not a Liberian government agency even).

[Fahran]

We talked about adultery and Islam while I was stargazing. I miss all the fun topics.

[Cappuccina]

I'm a National Syndicalist, ideally all businesses should become worker-owned/run.

so essentially just one profit motive away from going socialist tbh

All economics is about profit motive, even socialism. The only question, is who is making profii and how.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

so essentially just one profit motive away from going socialist tbh

All economics is about profit motive, even socialism. The only question, is who is making profii and how.

That's true. If you don't get more than what you put in (profit), then you have an extremely unsustainable and wasteful model.

[Fahran]

They can be caned on their hands, thighs or buttocks without any danger of serious injury. The trick is to use a thinner birch.

While I do believe in stiffer penalties for adultery than the current social censure and civil penalties, I'm somewhat opposed to corporal punishment given the nature of the transgression - a civil and religious affront more so than a criminal one. I believe a punitive fine or restitution would be more fitting.

While I agree, I find myself confused as to why he is popular: the Aeneid and the Illiad are both inaccessible (even in translation) to the general public without a great deal of commentary. Epic Poetry is something that is utterly alien to society in its current form of Late Capitalism. Then, why is it that the Lord of the Rings is so popular? It was written to be read and fully readable by only one man, Tolkien himself.

Tolkien's works were to a significant extent an attempt at creating a modern mythology for the West, in particular the United Kingdom. The language is a bit plainer and a bit more literary than what we find in translations of the Iliad, Aeneid, and Beowulf, and dwells more often on matters that we concern us amid nostalgic aches that accompany modernity, urbanization, and industrialization. Tolkien gave us a conception of the good that harked back to the highest ideals of the medieval period at a time when we felt loss - and it's a message that's a lot more relate-able to a casual reader than the wrath of Achilles or Beowulf's robust masculinity. The books also inspired the vast majority of an entire sub-genre of fiction that often is more materialist and consumable.

Have you read his translation of Beowulf? What other works of his philology are you familiar with?

Beowulf is an interesting read. I've read a bit of the scholarship surrounding it as well.

[Totally Not OEP]

It does indirect harm sure, but it doesn't do direct harm, it's too hard to effectively legislate whist maintaining innocent until proven guilty, and it makes the business of what goes on in the bedroom a matter of state.

It does direct, lasting damage to all involved; failed marriages result in a massive increase in poverty among the divorced, increased criminality among the children of said failed marriage, and lasting mental trauma that hinders lifetime achievement in things such as education. It's not hard at all to legislate, given that many states still recognize and use infidelity as grounds for divorce in adjudicating such. I also completely fail to understand the argument about the State being involved in the bedroom, given national and state level laws pertaining to child support, divorces, and now, for another example, the ongoing movement to revoke the Hyde Amendment.

[Totally Not OEP]

We talked about adultery and Islam while I was stargazing. I miss all the fun topics.

I feel like this is code for engaging in usury.