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Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 3:56 pmby Napkizemlja
Raise your hand if you know that the Freikorps was needed because the German state was very fragile at the end of the First World War, with the need for effective organized defense given the disintegration of the Imperial Army and the threat posed by an armed uprising by communist insurgents that was sweeping through Germany, and not because you're getting ass mad at leftists online because they called you a big poopy head that needs to get cancelled.
*Raises hand*
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:05 pmby Salus Maior
Napkizemlja wrote:Raise your hand if you know that the Freikorps was needed because the German state was very fragile at the end of the First World War, with the need for effective organized defense given the disintegration of the Imperial Army and the threat posed by an armed uprising by communist insurgents that was sweeping through Germany, and not because you're getting ass mad at leftists online because they called you a big poopy head that needs to get cancelled.
*Raises hand*
I'm not a fan of communist takeover so sure.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:09 pmby Napkizemlja
Salus Maior wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:Raise your hand if you know that the Freikorps was needed because the German state was very fragile at the end of the First World War, with the need for effective organized defense given the disintegration of the Imperial Army and the threat posed by an armed uprising by communist insurgents that was sweeping through Germany, and not because you're getting ass mad at leftists online because they called you a big poopy head that needs to get cancelled.
*Raises hand*
I'm not a fan of communist takeover so sure.
This is a response to the "We really need the Freikorps again XDDD" sentiment that occasionally rears its head in these corners which is based less on the threat of an actual uprising and being assmad that not all leftists are the most friendly and spunky of chaps.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:12 pmby Jack Thomas Lang
Novus America wrote:Well the longer they waited the worse it got. And after the end of WWI did not have the troops and yes spine needed.
They certainly had the troops, because they sent them to Russia. They just didn't use them enough, focusing on rescuing the Legion instead of rescuing Russia.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:12 pmby Salus Maior
Napkizemlja wrote:Salus Maior wrote:I'm not a fan of communist takeover so sure.
This is a response to the "We really need the Freikorps again XDDD" sentiment that occasionally rears its head in these corners.
I don't think we need a Freikorps now.
I mean, the original Freikorp organized because there was a very real threat (and attempt) at violent revolution by the Communists. Right now, the worst that the left is doing right now is kicking over trashcans and starting street fights.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:16 pmby Novus America
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Novus America wrote:Well the longer they waited the worse it got. And after the end of WWI did not have the troops and yes spine needed.
They certainly had the troops, because they sent them to Russia. They just didn't use them enough, focusing on rescuing the Legion instead of rescuing Russia.
The numbers they sent were not nearly enough though. Sure they also used them poorly.
But just as important the anti-Soviet Russians spent more time fighting each other than the Soviets.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:17 pmby The Xenopolis Confederation
Fahran wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show
Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.
We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's a different story when that country starts to invade other countries.
The Soviets actively encouraged coups and revolutions against other countries, and even invaded multiple countries that had gained independence from the Russian Empire such as Poland and Finland. They engaged in widespread espionage as well - infiltrating the Labour Party at one point and possessing inordinate influence over left-wing American political parties.
I'm not saying the USSR wasn't interventionist, it absolutely was, but Europe had no way of knowing it would be at the time.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:20 pmby The Xenopolis Confederation
Nova Cyberia wrote:The right needs to militarize again, tbh. The Freikorps did absolutely nothing wrong.
Someone in this thread just got done saying France and the USSR should take over Europe and you manage to come out with an even worse take.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:21 pmby Torrocca
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:The right needs to militarize again, tbh. The Freikorps did absolutely nothing wrong.
Someone in this thread just got done saying France and the USSR should take over Europe and you manage to come out with an even worse take.
Djibouti should take over Europe, tbqh.
It'd be hilarious.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:23 pmby Washington Resistance Army
Cyberia is right though. If you aren't arming up and learning squad level tactics and studying asymmetric warfare what are you even doing with life?
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:23 pmby Napkizemlja
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Cyberia is right though. If you aren't arming up and learning squad level tactics and studying asymmetric warfare what are you even doing with life?
Having one?
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:24 pmby Jack Thomas Lang
Novus America wrote:The numbers they sent were not nearly enough though. Sure they also used them poorly.
But just as important the anti-Soviet Russians spent more time fighting each other than the Soviets.
On the Eastern front, 140,000 if you count the Japanese, 70,000 if you don't. Professional troops hit well above their size in the Civil War, because most rank and file were poorly trained and poorly motivated conscripts. The presence of Entente troops would have had a two-pronged effect, firstly by granting Kolchak professional soldiers that would outfight the Reds, but also act as a disciplined 'anchor' for conscripts.
It's true that infighting had its problems. Yudenich would have taken Petrograd if not for the Army of West Russia attacking Estonia.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:26 pmby Washington Resistance Army
Napkizemlja wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:Cyberia is right though. If you aren't arming up and learning squad level tactics and studying asymmetric warfare what are you even doing with life?
Having one?
The Peoples War concept is all you need.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:26 pmby Jack Thomas Lang
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I'm not saying the USSR wasn't interventionist, it absolutely was, but Europe had no way of knowing it would be at the time.
Bollocks, this is before Socialism in one nation. World revolution was still a key concept of Marxist thought.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:42 pmby The Xenopolis Confederation
Torrocca wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Someone in this thread just got done saying France and the USSR should take over Europe and you manage to come out with an even worse take.
Djibouti should take over Europe, tbqh.
It'd be hilarious.
That's true, it would be. Therefore that's not a bad take.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:43 pmby Nova Cyberia
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:The right needs to militarize again, tbh. The Freikorps did absolutely nothing wrong.
Someone in this thread just got done saying France and the USSR should take over Europe and you manage to come out with an even worse take.
Brave words for someone in flammenwerfer distance.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 4:51 pmby Novus America
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Novus America wrote:The numbers they sent were not nearly enough though. Sure they also used them poorly.
But just as important the anti-Soviet Russians spent more time fighting each other than the Soviets.
On the Eastern front, 140,000 if you count the Japanese, 70,000 if you don't. Professional troops hit well above their size in the Civil War, because most rank and file were poorly trained and poorly motivated conscripts. The presence of Entente troops would have had a two-pronged effect, firstly by granting Kolchak professional soldiers that would outfight the Reds, but also act as a disciplined 'anchor' for conscripts.
It's true that infighting had its problems. Yudenich would have taken Petrograd if not for the Army of West Russia attacking Estonia.
140,000 was not nearly enough. Just because of the sheer size of the place.
Sure if the Reds massed all in one place for a set piece battle it
could beat them easily but they were not going to do that.
But yes infighting was a big problem. We were not sure who we were even supposed to be fighting for.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 6:11 pmby Genivaria
I have added a Right wing flag to my flag collection.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:57 pmby Totally Not OEP
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Cyberia is right though. If you aren't arming up and learning squad level tactics and studying asymmetric warfare what are you even doing with life?
The Struggle is all I live for.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:09 pmby Bear Stearns
My political track
Generic lib -> religious conservative -> BUSH CHENEY 2004 NEOCON -> Ron Paul -> anarcho-capitalism -> Anglo cultural nationalism -> white nationalism -> fascism -> meh -> starting to not care about politics and just want to get on with my life -> Trump 2016 -> Anglo-Saxon ethnic nationalism -> get snooty white collar job -> generic lib
Now I'm starting to get nostalgic about the Bush years though. Rumsfeld 2020.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:21 pmby The Xenopolis Confederation
Bear Stearns wrote:My political track
Generic lib -> religious conservative -> BUSH CHENEY 2004 NEOCON -> Ron Paul -> anarcho-capitalism -> Anglo cultural nationalism -> white nationalism -> fascism -> meh -> starting to not care about politics and just want to get on with my life -> Trump 2016 -> Anglo-Saxon ethnic nationalism -> get snooty white collar job -> generic lib
Now I'm starting to get nostalgic about the Bush years though. Rumsfeld 2020.
Wow, you went on quite the adventure.
Mine is Generic apolitical Christian -> fledgeling and somewhat apolitical liberal -> Centre-left moderate anti-SJW -> Anti authoritarian centre-left -> Emphatically libertarian centrist -> Right-wing libertarian -> Centre-right libertarian/general liberalism.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:26 pmby LiberNovusAmericae
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:My political track
Generic lib -> religious conservative -> BUSH CHENEY 2004 NEOCON -> Ron Paul -> anarcho-capitalism -> Anglo cultural nationalism -> white nationalism -> fascism -> meh -> starting to not care about politics and just want to get on with my life -> Trump 2016 -> Anglo-Saxon ethnic nationalism -> get snooty white collar job -> generic lib
Now I'm starting to get nostalgic about the Bush years though. Rumsfeld 2020.
Wow, you went on quite the adventure.
Mine is Generic apolitical Christian -> fledgeling and somewhat apolitical liberal -> Centre-left moderate anti-SJW -> Anti authoritarian centre-left -> Emphatically libertarian centrist -> Right-wing libertarian -> Centre-right libertarian/general liberalism.
I'm a right-libertarian, but I think I'm starting to head towards the center on economics.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:28 pmby Kowani
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Wow, you went on quite the adventure.
Mine is Generic apolitical Christian -> fledgeling and somewhat apolitical liberal -> Centre-left moderate anti-SJW -> Anti authoritarian centre-left -> Emphatically libertarian centrist -> Right-wing libertarian -> Centre-right libertarian/general liberalism.
I'm a right-libertarian, but I think I'm starting to head towards the center on economics.
Welcome aboard... Join the left...
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:36 pmby Bear Stearns
Working in corporate America has taught me that things would be best if people like Mitt Romney and Donald Rumsfeld were in charge.
Posted:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:38 pmby LiberNovusAmericae
Kowani wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm a right-libertarian, but I think I'm starting to head towards the center on economics.
Welcome aboard... Join the left...
Even if I do move out of the right-wing part of the spectrum, I'm very unlikely to join the left. I still strongly disagree with the left on many issues.