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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Not really. French isn't that hard.

The argument was never one of difficulty. I speak French. It was one of redundancy, which is different altogether.


All those conjugations are semantically different, so I mean, not really redundant.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:26 pm

Novus America wrote:
Kowani wrote:Manger mangé mangeais mangeait mangée mangés mangées

You know what that is? Fucking redundant.


It is just corrupt Latin with absolutely atrocious pronunciation.
Funny how many French get so sensitive over it.

Yes I know English is just a bastard child of old North German, Latin, with French and a bunch of other stuff thrown in. But I am not pretentious about it. English is not some pure unchanging perfect language. It is a mess, but works and is a lot of fun.

If the French would just admit their language is equally ersatz shit I would be okay with it.
It is the arrogance regarding it that is silly.

Don't they have a system where it's forbidden to incorporate foreign words into French? Lol
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:27 pm

Novus America wrote:
Kowani wrote:Manger mangé mangeais mangeait mangée mangés mangées

You know what that is? Fucking redundant.


It is just corrupt Latin with absolutely atrocious pronunciation.
Funny how many French get so sensitive over it.

Yes I know English is just a bastard child of old North German, Latin, with French and a bunch of other stuff thrown in. But I am not pretentious about it. English is not some pure unchanging perfect language. It is a mess, but works and is a lot of fun.

If the French would just admit their language is equally ersatz shit I would be okay with it.
It is the arrogance regarding it that is silly.

Fair.

Cappuccina wrote:
Kowani wrote:The argument was never one of difficulty. I speak French. It was one of redundancy, which is different altogether.


All those conjugations are semantically different, so I mean, not really redundant.

Untrue. The redundancy is inherent in the semantics.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:28 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Novus America wrote:
It is just corrupt Latin with absolutely atrocious pronunciation.
Funny how many French get so sensitive over it.

Yes I know English is just a bastard child of old North German, Latin, with French and a bunch of other stuff thrown in. But I am not pretentious about it. English is not some pure unchanging perfect language. It is a mess, but works and is a lot of fun.

If the French would just admit their language is equally ersatz shit I would be okay with it.
It is the arrogance regarding it that is silly.

Don't they have a system where it's forbidden to incorporate foreign words into French? Lol

Academie Française.
Spanish has one as well, but we don’t prohibit loanwords.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:28 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Novus America wrote:
It is just corrupt Latin with absolutely atrocious pronunciation.
Funny how many French get so sensitive over it.

Yes I know English is just a bastard child of old North German, Latin, with French and a bunch of other stuff thrown in. But I am not pretentious about it. English is not some pure unchanging perfect language. It is a mess, but works and is a lot of fun.

If the French would just admit their language is equally ersatz shit I would be okay with it.
It is the arrogance regarding it that is silly.

Don't they have a system where it's forbidden to incorporate foreign words into French? Lol


Yes. They actually have a government agency that sets strict standards on words.
But have no real enforcement mechanism. So they do not allow it in their official version, but they cannot punish you for failing to follow the official government mandated version at least.

Still silly to the extreme.
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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:29 pm

Kowani wrote:
Novus America wrote:
It is just corrupt Latin with absolutely atrocious pronunciation.
Funny how many French get so sensitive over it.

Yes I know English is just a bastard child of old North German, Latin, with French and a bunch of other stuff thrown in. But I am not pretentious about it. English is not some pure unchanging perfect language. It is a mess, but works and is a lot of fun.

If the French would just admit their language is equally ersatz shit I would be okay with it.
It is the arrogance regarding it that is silly.

Fair.

Cappuccina wrote:
All those conjugations are semantically different, so I mean, not really redundant.

Untrue. The redundancy is inherent in the semantics.

What?
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:30 pm

Novus America wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Don't they have a system where it's forbidden to incorporate foreign words into French? Lol


Yes. They actually have a government agency that sets strict standards on words.
But have no real enforcement mechanism. So they do not allow it in their official version, but they cannot punish you for failing to follow the official government mandated version at least.

Still silly to the extreme.

Yeah. That won't work in this globalized world.

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Don't they have a system where it's forbidden to incorporate foreign words into French? Lol

Academie Française.
Spanish has one as well, but we don’t prohibit loanwords.

Interesting
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:32 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Yes. They actually have a government agency that sets strict standards on words.
But have no real enforcement mechanism. So they do not allow it in their official version, but they cannot punish you for failing to follow the official government mandated version at least.

Still silly to the extreme.

Yeah. That won't work in this globalized world.

Kowani wrote:Academie Française.
Spanish has one as well, but we don’t prohibit loanwords.

Interesting

Most major romance languages have some government agency that does much the same, actually. Mind you, they’re all elitist.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Yeah. That won't work in this globalized world.


Interesting

Most major romance languages have some government agency that does much the same, actually. Mind you, they’re all elitist.

Lol.

Romance speaking.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Yeah. That won't work in this globalized world.


Interesting

Most major romance languages have some government agency that does much the same, actually. Mind you, they’re all elitist.


Which is pretty funny since the Romans would have considered their languages backwoods barbarian dialects, not proper languages.

They just institutionalize the fact they speak Latin badly. :lol:
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:41 pm

Novus America wrote:
Kowani wrote:Most major romance languages have some government agency that does much the same, actually. Mind you, they’re all elitist.


Which is pretty funny since the Romans would have considered their languages backwoods barbarian dialects, not proper languages.

They just institutionalize they fact they speak Latin badly. :lol:

Lol.

And in turn, all of them speak bad Greek.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:42 pm

Novus America wrote:
Kowani wrote:Most major romance languages have some government agency that does much the same, actually. Mind you, they’re all elitist.


Which is pretty funny since the Romans would have considered their languages backwoods barbarian dialects, not proper languages.

They just institutionalize they fact they speak Latin badly. :lol:

:mad: Hey!
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:44 pm

Kowani wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Which is pretty funny since the Romans would have considered their languages backwoods barbarian dialects, not proper languages.

They just institutionalize they fact they speak Latin badly. :lol:

:mad: Hey!

You are the infidels of Latin! Prepare for death for apostasy!
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:45 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Kowani wrote: :mad: Hey!

You are the infidels of Latin! Prepare for death for apostasy!

I only took one year of Latin, so I can’t even bullshit my way out of this...
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Which is pretty funny since the Romans would have considered their languages backwoods barbarian dialects, not proper languages.

They just institutionalize they fact they speak Latin badly. :lol:

:mad: Hey!


You know its true though :)
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:48 pm

Novus America wrote:
Kowani wrote: :mad: Hey!


You know its true though :)

Eh, the Romance languages are more interesting than their parent anyway.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:50 pm

Novus America wrote:
Kowani wrote: :mad: Hey!


You know its true though :)

We have improved upon the original.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:51 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:You are the infidels of Latin! Prepare for death for apostasy!

I only took one year of Latin, so I can’t even bullshit my way out of this...

:)
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:54 pm

Since right-wingers love to LARP, which historical war/armed forces would guys have liked to participate in?

My top choice would Cromwell's New Model Army, followed by the US Navy during the Gun Boat Diplomacy era, and then the SADF in the Border War.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:54 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Kowani wrote:I only took one year of Latin, so I can’t even bullshit my way out of this...

:)

Well, crap.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:56 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote::)

Well, crap.

*Kowani is executed for apostasy in language* DEUS VULT!!!
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:13 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Since right-wingers love to LARP, which historical war/armed forces would guys have liked to participate in?

My top choice would Cromwell's New Model Army, followed by the US Navy during the Gun Boat Diplomacy era, and then the SADF in the Border War.

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Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:37 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:


Books are nice, don't shame


Physical books are a waste anymore considering the rise in digital copies, tbh.

*hides brand new paperback copy of the Lotus Sutra*
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:41 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Books are nice, don't shame


Physical books are a waste anymore considering the rise in digital copies, tbh.

*hides brand new paperback copy of the Lotus Sutra*


Man, there's something about digital books that just doesn't do it for me. I always lose interest in them and find it much harder to finish them compared to an actual physical book.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:42 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Books are nice, don't shame


Physical books are a waste anymore considering the rise in digital copies, tbh.

*hides brand new paperback copy of the Lotus Sutra*

No way.

Tell that to my library in my room! :evil:
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