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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:50 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Our records on many of the exact details are incomplete or contradictory.
So it takes a lot of research and some guess work I would imagine.


Hellenism and the Roman faith are largely fine in that regard due to being so incredibly well preserved, excluding the aptly named mystery cult deities where UPG does come into effect.

Also why does RWDT always become a theology thread lol


Fair point.

The reason is we have so many theocrats here, trying to sell their theocracy.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:52 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You ever think that maybe your god is kind of an ass?

No.
Al Mumtahanah wrote:If you do fall to temptation in wayward inclination you should not tell others about it, it sets a bad example. Repent before Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted), not man.

Thank you for your concern.

Afwan, may God reward you with goodness for your unwavering and outspoken support for Islam.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:53 am

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Religious freedom includes the right to have no religion. Or your own.

That's taking things a bit far.


Then you do not believe in freedom of religion. Just be honest about it.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:53 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Also why does RWDT always become a theology thread lol


Certain battles have to be fought.

Hanafuridake wrote:
Novus America wrote:
And others do not. Besides Egypt is Hanafi but does not recognize Buddhism.
Yes some Muslim regimes allowed Buddhism to exist, others not.


Just look at what happened to the Buddhas of Bamiyan in Afghanistan.

I'm fairly certain that no Islamic state is going to tolerate temples with Buddhist deities in them.


The Taliban had it coming.

Novus America wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:
What you call "shady medieval texts" are infact divine revelation from the Creator (swt), and are the source of any legitimate law.


Uh huh. We are not buying what you are selling.
And if they are from your god, he is not a very nice god.


Yeah its not a good God. Obviously doesnt has exactly the best intentions for mankind.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:54 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Wait, you practice antiquity style paganism?


To the best of my ability.

Are you Greek? I know they have a world organization for that.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:55 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Kowani wrote:Go ahead and prove that assertion, if you please.

Read the Quran. Like I said it's not my job to convince you or turn you into a muslim.


Question of the evening: What turned you into one? Was it, as NGR postulates some recruiter? Or more likely looking you for something you couldn find elsewhere?

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:56 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Novus America wrote:
And others do not. Besides Egypt is Hanafi but does not recognize Buddhism.
Yes some Muslim regimes allowed Buddhism to exist, others not.


Just look at what happened to the Buddhas of Bamiyan in Afghanistan.

I'm fairly certain that no Islamic state is going to tolerate temples with Buddhist deities in them.

That's a pretty recent development.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:56 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Kowani wrote:Go ahead and prove that assertion, if you please.

Read the Quran. Like I said it's not my job to convince you or turn you into a muslim.

>Prove that the Qu’ran is the word of God!
>lol just read the Qu’ran

Circular logic, ladies and gentlemen.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:57 am

Novus America wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:That's taking things a bit far.


Then you do not believe in freedom of religion. Just be honest about it.

Not to the degree you do.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:57 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
To the best of my ability.

Are you Greek? I know they have a world organization for that.


American, though I do have some books put out from Greek organizations that are of superb quality.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Are you Greek? I know they have a world organization for that.


American, though I do have some books put out from Greek organizations that are of superb quality.

So you use the Homeric Hymns for prayers?
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:02 am

Kowani wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Read the Quran. Like I said it's not my job to convince you or turn you into a muslim.

>Prove that the Qu’ran is the word of God!
>lol just read the Qu’ran

Circular logic, ladies and gentlemen.

The Qur'an contains quite a bit of discourse on why it should be believed, it isn't Fideist.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:04 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
American, though I do have some books put out from Greek organizations that are of superb quality.

So you use the Homeric Hymns for prayers?


Most of the time, yes. Though some of the Orphic Hymns are also quite nice.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:06 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Kowani wrote:>Prove that the Qu’ran is the word of God!
>lol just read the Qu’ran

Circular logic, ladies and gentlemen.

The Qur'an contains quite a bit of discourse on why it should be believed, it isn't Fideist.

Let me guess. It’s “beautiful composition.”
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:06 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:So you use the Homeric Hymns for prayers?


Most of the time, yes. Though some of the Orphic Hymns are also quite nice.

Have you read the Orphic Argonautica?
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:08 am

Kowani wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:The Qur'an contains quite a bit of discourse on why it should be believed, it isn't Fideist.

Let me guess. It’s “beautiful composition.”

That's not what I was referring to and it is only obliquely mentioned once in the Qur'an.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:12 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Most of the time, yes. Though some of the Orphic Hymns are also quite nice.

Have you read the Orphic Argonautica?


A long while back, I wouldn't mind giving it another read eventually but I'm always trying to get my hands on so many books it would probably get pushed back a long while before I finally did.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:14 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Kowani wrote:Let me guess. It’s “beautiful composition.”

That's not what I was referring to and it is only obliquely mentioned once in the Qur'an.

You’re going to have to be more specific, then.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:15 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Have you read the Orphic Argonautica?


A long while back, I wouldn't mind giving it another read eventually but I'm always trying to get my hands on so many books it would probably get pushed back a long while before I finally did.

I heard it is considered a holy text by pagans. I only read the regular Argonautica in translation, Rodney Merrill, his Homeric Hymns is also fine. I don't know if you read Greek?
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Duvniask » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:16 am

Never did find out from Al Mumtahanah what kind of "religious freedom" an Islamic state would have in store for me or anyone like me.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:18 am

Duvniask wrote:Never did find out from Al Mumtahanah what kind of "religious freedom" an Islamic state would have in store for me or anyone like me.

I'll let you know when your religion has texts or oral traditions.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:19 am

Kowani wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:That's not what I was referring to and it is only obliquely mentioned once in the Qur'an.

You’re going to have to be more specific, then.

I went over this a bit in the Islamic thread, you were there.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:21 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Have you read the Orphic Argonautica?


A long while back, I wouldn't mind giving it another read eventually but I'm always trying to get my hands on so many books it would probably get pushed back a long while before I finally did.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:23 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
A long while back, I wouldn't mind giving it another read eventually but I'm always trying to get my hands on so many books it would probably get pushed back a long while before I finally did.

I heard it is considered a holy text by pagans. I only read the regular Argonautica in translation, Rodney Merrill, his Homeric Hymns is also fine. I don't know if you read Greek?


I don't really consider it a holy text, most of us don't really claim to have anything like that really. Hellenism, and indeed most other forms of reconstructionism, is more orthopraxic and concerned with correct action rather than orthodoxic and stressing correct belief in things like holy texts. Indeed large parts of interpretation are often left up to the individual practitioner because sadly most of us aren't in formal groups.

I do not read Greek lol, it's a rather intimidating alphabet imo. Besides English I very casually dabble in Akkadian/Babylonian on a purely recreational and historical interest basis but little more, besides a decent bit of Latin cuz I use RWDT and honestly if you don't want to destroy Carthage do you even belong here :p
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:23 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Never did find out from Al Mumtahanah what kind of "religious freedom" an Islamic state would have in store for me or anyone like me.

I'll let you know when your religion has texts or oral traditions.

And if I lack religion? I suppose there's no place for my kind anywhere in such a state?

All the more reason to oppose you and your ilk if that is truly the case.

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