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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:30 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Charming, but considering you've stated in the past that you're LGBTQ+, I can look forward to seeing you headless in the afterlife like me in the event that your ideal state is achieved.


If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.

If you do fall to temptation in wayward inclination you should not tell others about it, it sets a bad example. Repent before Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted), not man.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Camelone » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:31 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:
If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.


You ever think that maybe your god is kind of an ass?

Quick question are you a Hellenist in the vein of Julian the Apostate? A high Platonic understanding of the Hellenistic deities where they are more ideals than anthropomorphic?
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:33 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It is entirely rational. Ultimatively it does depends on decisions of the political leadership based on what kind of immigration is desireable and what objectives, policies and limitations are to set accordingly.

Given that theres a backlog of over 800.000 immigration/asylum(?) cases pending in the court it would make, for example, sense to reject further applications until that number has been worked down. That would be entirely reasonable and rational too.


youre a nazi


Not even.

Cappuccina wrote:When did I say anything about "spreading to other countries"?!? :blink:

Convincing people to become muslim isn't the job of muslims. If you're not muslim you're not muslim, and we have instructions on how to deal with you.


Of course you do. You like it strict and disciplined like that, don't you?

North German Realm wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Which really makes me think why some people choose Islam. Literally the worst option there as we have learned in the past weeks.

Few become Muslim through studying Islam. People get enticed into it. Money from proselytizing countries planning on using them as poster boys helps, for example.


Introducing them so to speak.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:33 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:
If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.


You ever think that maybe your god is kind of an ass?

He is Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim. He will forgive any sin and doesn't need to crucify anyone to do it.
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Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:33 am

Camelone wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You ever think that maybe your god is kind of an ass?

Quick question are you a Hellenist in the vein of Julian the Apostate? A high Platonic understanding of the Hellenistic deities where they are more ideals than anthropomorphic?


No, I'm more traditional. Though I do know someone who holds more closely to Julian thought on theology and while I don't entirely agree with him it is fun to spar on the topic from time to time.
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Al Mumtahanah
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Camelone wrote:Quick question are you a Hellenist in the vein of Julian the Apostate? A high Platonic understanding of the Hellenistic deities where they are more ideals than anthropomorphic?


No, I'm more traditional. Though I do know someone who holds more closely to Julian thought on theology and while I don't entirely agree with him it is fun to spar on the topic from time to time.

Wait, you practice antiquity style paganism?
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:36 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No, I'm more traditional. Though I do know someone who holds more closely to Julian thought on theology and while I don't entirely agree with him it is fun to spar on the topic from time to time.

Wait, you practice antiquity style paganism?


To the best of my ability.
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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:
If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.


You ever think that maybe your god is kind of an ass?

No.
Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:
If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.

If you do fall to temptation in wayward inclination you should not tell others about it, it sets a bad example. Repent before Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted), not man.

Thank you for your concern.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:37 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Charming, but considering you've stated in the past that you're LGBTQ+, I can look forward to seeing you headless in the afterlife like me in the event that your ideal state is achieved.


If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.


I mean you are at least consistent but damn, maybe you need a new god.
I mean in my idealized government I would want to be punished for breaking a legitimate law, but not killed for doing no harm based on some shady medieval texts.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Camelone » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Camelone wrote:Quick question are you a Hellenist in the vein of Julian the Apostate? A high Platonic understanding of the Hellenistic deities where they are more ideals than anthropomorphic?


No, I'm more traditional. Though I do know someone who holds more closely to Julian thought on theology and while I don't entirely agree with him it is fun to spar on the topic from time to time.

Ah okay gotcha. I only was on the outskirts of the Hellenist community when I was in my transitory period between Catholicism and Continuing Anglicanism, mostly the Mithra Mystery's.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:39 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Wait, you practice antiquity style paganism?


To the best of my ability.


Our records on many of the exact details are incomplete or contradictory.
So it takes a lot of research and some guess work I would imagine.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:40 am

Novus America wrote:I mean you are at least consistent but damn, maybe you need a new god.


I am afraid they already found theirs for good.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:40 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You ever think that maybe your god is kind of an ass?

He is Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim. He will forgive any sin and doesn't need to crucify anyone to do it.


Then why all the head choppy and whipping? Does not seem so forgiving to me.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:43 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
People with mental illness. I believe at the time it was enforced, it mostly referred to autism, Down Syndrome, low IQ, or an inability to follow instructions.

Immigration officers would administer tests to them to see how everyone stacked up.


If I may, I must dissent; I find that banning individuals on the autism spectrum from entering the country to be (in layman's terms) not very cash money of the government.


Well at the time autism was not like it is today. As long as you were high functioning you would be fine, the spectrum did not yet exist.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:43 am

Novus America wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:
If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.


I mean you are at least consistent but damn, maybe you need a new god.
I mean in my idealized government I would want to be punished for breaking a legitimate law, but not killed for doing no harm based on some shady medieval texts.


What you call "shady medieval texts" are infact divine revelation from the Creator (swt), and are the source of any legitimate law.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:44 am

Novus America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
To the best of my ability.


Our records on many of the exact details are incomplete or contradictory.
So it takes a lot of research and some guess work I would imagine.


Hellenism and the Roman faith are largely fine in that regard due to being so incredibly well preserved, excluding the aptly named mystery cult deities where UPG does come into effect.

Also why does RWDT always become a theology thread lol
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:44 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I mean you are at least consistent but damn, maybe you need a new god.
I mean in my idealized government I would want to be punished for breaking a legitimate law, but not killed for doing no harm based on some shady medieval texts.


What you call "shady medieval texts" are infact divine revelation from the Creator (swt), and are the source of any legitimate law.

Go ahead and prove that assertion, if you please.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:45 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Our records on many of the exact details are incomplete or contradictory.
So it takes a lot of research and some guess work I would imagine.


Hellenism and the Roman faith are largely fine in that regard due to being so incredibly well preserved, excluding the aptly named mystery cult deities where UPG does come into effect.

Also why does RWDT always become a theology thread lol


Because a lot of us are extremely religious and our religion therefore plays a role in our politics. My nationalism is very religious, for instance.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:45 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Where did you come up with that nonsense?!?


It's not nonsense, it's historical fact. Hanafi madhab classified Hindus, Jains and Buddhists as people of the book based on their having religious scripturrd, following a prior precedent set for Zoroastrians.


And others do not. Besides Egypt is Hanafi but does not recognize Buddhism.
Yes some Muslim regimes allowed Buddhism to exist, others not.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:47 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I mean you are at least consistent but damn, maybe you need a new god.
I mean in my idealized government I would want to be punished for breaking a legitimate law, but not killed for doing no harm based on some shady medieval texts.


What you call "shady medieval texts" are infact divine revelation from the Creator (swt), and are the source of any legitimate law.


They're could be also some relevation from some deity that intended to enslave mankind to worship it or follow its rules by a human proxy as they cannot stuff here on their own.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:47 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Our records on many of the exact details are incomplete or contradictory.
So it takes a lot of research and some guess work I would imagine.



Also why does RWDT always become a theology thread lol

Religion is deeply intertwined with right-wing belief.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:47 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I mean you are at least consistent but damn, maybe you need a new god.
I mean in my idealized government I would want to be punished for breaking a legitimate law, but not killed for doing no harm based on some shady medieval texts.


What you call "shady medieval texts" are infact divine revelation from the Creator (swt), and are the source of any legitimate law.


Uh huh. We are not buying what you are selling.
And if they are from your god, he is not a very nice god.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Camelone » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Our records on many of the exact details are incomplete or contradictory.
So it takes a lot of research and some guess work I would imagine.


Hellenism and the Roman faith are largely fine in that regard due to being so incredibly well preserved, excluding the aptly named mystery cult deities where UPG does come into effect.

Also why does RWDT always become a theology thread lol

I think mostly because the right-wing is the only side of the political spectrum where religion is seen as highly important and a necessary part of society. This is why theology comes up a lot from what I can gather.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:49 am

Novus America wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:
It's not nonsense, it's historical fact. Hanafi madhab classified Hindus, Jains and Buddhists as people of the book based on their having religious scripturrd, following a prior precedent set for Zoroastrians.


And others do not. Besides Egypt is Hanafi but does not recognize Buddhism.
Yes some Muslim regimes allowed Buddhism to exist, others not.


Just look at what happened to the Buddhas of Bamiyan in Afghanistan.

I'm fairly certain that no Islamic state is going to tolerate temples with Buddhist deities in them.
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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:49 am

Kowani wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:
What you call "shady medieval texts" are infact divine revelation from the Creator (swt), and are the source of any legitimate law.

Go ahead and prove that assertion, if you please.

Read the Quran. Like I said it's not my job to convince you or turn you into a muslim.
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