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The world would be a much better place if Russia never became communist. No cold war, short to no communist repression elsewhere.

Instead of having around 5 decades of mistrust and paranoia, the world would have been more cooperative and peaceful.

For anyone interested in Asian history or GOT, because this is a bit of a cross between those.

I can't help imagine how cool it would've been had the Tibetan Empire reemerged, with Central Asia being ruled by the Dalai Lama's.

Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.

Hanafuridake wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It wasn't their place to do so. Nothing gives them the right to intervene in another country's civil war.

It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.

An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Hanafuridake wrote:
It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.

An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.

Or fund tin pot dictators who want to oust said ideology.

Asherahan wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.

Or fund tin pot dictators who want to oust said ideology.

I agree.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Hanafuridake wrote:
It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.

An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.

The wokepill doesn’t look good on you.

An aggressive ideology that people know will prime a country for the sake of war kind of does. Perhaps if the old European allies had a little more use for their spines they might have beat the Germans into submission. It was pretty easy to do legally when Hitler started to not even feign to adhere to the treaty of Versailles. Instead they let a rabid dog out of the cage, and it killed millions.

Benuty wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.

The wokepill doesn’t look good on you.

An aggressive ideology that people know will prime a country for the sake of war kind of does. Perhaps if the old European allies had a little more use for their spines they might have beat the Germans into submission. It was pretty easy to do legally when Hitler started to not even feign to adhere to the treaty of Versailles. Instead they let a rabid dog out of the cage, and it killed millions.

Probably because they though Hitler would attack the Soviet Union. Because by the way he didn't like the soviet union.

Benuty wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.

The wokepill doesn’t look good on you.

An aggressive ideology that people know will prime a country for the sake of war kind of does. Perhaps if the old European allies had a little more use for their spines they might have beat the Germans into submission. It was pretty easy to do legally when Hitler started to not even feign to adhere to the treaty of Versailles. Instead they let a rabid dog out of the cage, and it killed millions.

The wokepill doesn't look good on anyone.

It's a different story when that country starts to invade other countries.

Hanafuridake wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It wasn't their place to do so. Nothing gives them the right to intervene in another country's civil war.

It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.

Except they really did. The intervention was poorly coordinated and completely ineffectual.
The only way it could work would be a negotiated end to the war earlier, no collapse of Germany, and German support.

Of course we should not only blame the Entente. The Germans with their cartoonishly idiotic approach to diplomacy played a role as well of course.
Maybe if Germany had a better foreign minister, Zimmerman was a freaking idiot of the highest order.

Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.

We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's a different story when that country starts to invade other countries.

The Soviets actively encouraged coups and revolutions against other countries, and even invaded multiple countries that had gained independence from the Russian Empire such as Poland and Finland. They engaged in widespread espionage as well - infiltrating the Labour Party at one point and possessing inordinate influence over left-wing American political parties.

Fahran wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.

We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.

Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.

Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.

Rostavykhan wrote:TBH either way the Allies messed up.

The only reasonable treatment after WWI would be to split Europe. Everything west of Berlin to France, everything east to Russia.

This is the worst hot take in the history of hot takes. Maybe ever.

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.

I simply want truth, beauty, and self-restraint. I'm a simple country girl with simple country girl tastes. I really shouldn't need to object to polygamy in the West given that it's not our culture, it's not socially beneficial, and it's generally pretty terrible for women.

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.

Super villains don't apologize this much.

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:

Fahran wrote:We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.

Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.

Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.

If your own ideas sound like something a supervillain would come up with, even to you, that's probably a good indication that you should rethink them.

Old Tyrannia wrote:

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.

Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.

If your own ideas sound like something a supervillain would come up with, even to you, that's probably a good indication that you should rethink them.

I mean, how else does one rehabilitate large swathes of the population as efficiently as possible? But I'll take what you and Fahran say into account moving forward.

Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.

On traditional media fronts, the Right has absolutely lost the cultural war.

Where we have the advantage is online. Remember the campaign to get Instagram thots to pay income taxes?

Bear Stearns wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.

On traditional media fronts, the Right has absolutely lost the cultural war.

Where we have the advantage is online. Remember the campaign to get Instagram thots to pay income taxes?

Well of course I remember the Audit; it’s important that all who live in a society pay their proper dues, i.e taxes. To evade taxes is, in my mind at least, a horrid and intolerable sin against civilization itself. Does that make sense?

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:

Fahran wrote:We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.

Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.

Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.

While government drug enforcement isn't a terrible idea in some circumstances- indeed, it could serve as a great way to reduce crime- the idea of putting drugs in the water betrays a horrid lack of knowledge of just exactly what you're doing. There's no way to regulate the doses, interactions, etc.
Now, the idea of making medication compliance a condition of parole or probation? That's a great idea.

Fahran wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.

We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.

It's not quite that bad- novels are still pretty split, and television is declining anyways.

Diopolis wrote:

Fahran wrote:We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.

It's not quite that bad- novels are still pretty split, and television is declining anyways.

Plus I would say TV and movies are not as bad as they were in the 90s.

Sure though, we do need to consider culture.
Culture that shows positive patriotic values over nihilism and hedonism.

Bear Stearns wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.

On traditional media fronts, the Right has absolutely lost the cultural war.

Where we have the advantage is online. Remember the campaign to get Instagram thots to pay income taxes?

TBF Thot Audit is less a right wing thing and more a matter of common decency.

Such thottery must be combated regardless of ideology.

Novus America wrote:Except they really did. The intervention was poorly coordinated and completely ineffectual.
The only way it could work would be a negotiated end to the war earlier, no collapse of Germany, and German support.

Of course we should not only blame the Entente. The Germans with their cartoonishly idiotic approach to diplomacy played a role as well of course.
Maybe if Germany had a better foreign minister, Zimmerman was a freaking idiot of the highest order.

I disagree, the intervention would have worked if the Entente was willing to use their troops on a frontline role outside of the Northern Front. Their unwillingness to expand the role of their troops from garrison duty and training was their downfall. General Graves of the American interventionists in Siberia was particularly passive, contrary to the State Department's desire for more aggressive intervention.

The Entente didn't need Germany's help, they just needed a spine.

The right needs to militarize again, tbh. The Freikorps did absolutely nothing wrong.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:

Novus America wrote:Except they really did. The intervention was poorly coordinated and completely ineffectual.
The only way it could work would be a negotiated end to the war earlier, no collapse of Germany, and German support.

Of course we should not only blame the Entente. The Germans with their cartoonishly idiotic approach to diplomacy played a role as well of course.
Maybe if Germany had a better foreign minister, Zimmerman was a freaking idiot of the highest order.

I disagree, the intervention would have worked if the Entente was willing to use their troops on a frontline role outside of the Northern Front. Their unwillingness to expand the role of their troops from garrison duty and training was their downfall. General Graves of the American interventionists in Siberia was particularly passive, contrary to the State Department's desire for more aggressive intervention.

The Entente didn't need Germany's help, they just needed a spine.

Well the longer they waited the worse it got. And after the end of WWI did not have the troops and yes spine needed.