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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 11:29 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
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Well yes, and his rejection of pretty much all Christian concepts and values.
It is Manichaeism plus his own esoteric Nazi like fake history.
It is certainly wild, and certainly not Christian.

Some Christians get upset by religious stuff that rejects Christianity, others do not mind reading it and rejecting it.
I am not sure where you fall in that.

I wouldn't be against reading it and coming to my own conclusions; but I appreciate the advice.


Sure, I would not say do not read it.
But I would not recommend going into it thinking you will find something profound.
Keep you expectations VERY low and your lols high.

Speaking of, I do not do drugs but can only imagine reading it if you actually were stoned/drunk/and/or high as a kite.
It might actually make sense then :shock:
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue May 14, 2019 11:29 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:If I must provide my take on the worst President, I'd say that the distinction would go to Buchanan. At least to my knowledge, and do correct me if I'm mistaken, it was his incompetence that led to the War of Southern Treason that almost ripped the Union asunder.


Tbf nothing really compares to the blood-drenched legacy of Harry Truman.
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 11:31 am

Novus America wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I wouldn't be against reading it and coming to my own conclusions; but I appreciate the advice.


Sure, I would not say do not read it.
But I would not recommend going into it thinking you will find something profound.
Keep you expectations VERY low and your lols high.

Speaking of, I do not do drugs but can only imagine reading it if you actually were stoned/drunk/and/or high as a kite.
It might actually make sense then :shock:


Drugged with a death wish, yes.

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 11:41 am

Duhon wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Sure, I would not say do not read it.
But I would not recommend going into it thinking you will find something profound.
Keep you expectations VERY low and your lols high.

Speaking of, I do not do drugs but can only imagine reading it if you actually were stoned/drunk/and/or high as a kite.
It might actually make sense then :shock:


Drugged with a death wish, yes.


Well sure, for it to make sense you have to be literally suicidal as Dugin’s goal is to literally destroy the world and all that.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 11:41 am

Novus America wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Drugged with a death wish, yes.


Well sure, for it to make sense you have to be literally suicidal as Dugin’s goal is to literally destroy the world and all that.


I love it lol. There's been only a few people who can be this woke.
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 11:43 am

As far as Dugin goes he is the Russian version of L. Ron Hubbard really.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 11:44 am

Novus America wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Drugged with a death wish, yes.


Well sure, for it to make sense you have to be literally suicidal as Dugin’s goal is to literally destroy the world and all that.

If by World you mean the Anglo-American Hegemon, then sure, Dugin wants to destroy the World...Your World.

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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 11:46 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:If I must provide my take on the worst President, I'd say that the distinction would go to Buchanan. At least to my knowledge, and do correct me if I'm mistaken, it was his incompetence that led to the War of Southern Treason that almost ripped the Union asunder.


Tbf nothing really compares to the blood-drenched legacy of Harry Truman.


Necessary. It was either the US or the Soviets, and I'm partial to the former.

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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 11:47 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well sure, for it to make sense you have to be literally suicidal as Dugin’s goal is to literally destroy the world and all that.

If by World you mean the Anglo-American Hegemon, then sure, Dugin wants to destroy the World...Your World.


Oh Grasshopper, you have much to learn.
He wants to destroy Russia too.
“The meaning of Russia is that through the Russian people will be realized the last thought of God, the thought of the End of the World. . . . Death is the way to immortality. Love will begin when the world ends. We must long for it, like true Christians. . . . We are uprooting the accursed Tree of Knowledge. With it will perish the Universe.”
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 11:47 am

Novus America wrote:As far as Dugin goes he is the Russian version of L. Ron Hubbard really.

You're comparing Dugin to the Founder of Scientology?

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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue May 14, 2019 11:48 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well sure, for it to make sense you have to be literally suicidal as Dugin’s goal is to literally destroy the world and all that.

If by World you mean the Anglo-American Hegemon, then sure, Dugin wants to destroy the World...Your World.


No, as in the actual physical world. As in, Dugin's ultimate goal is to unmake reality itself. Pardon my language, but that shit's wack my dude.
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 11:48 am

Novus America wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:If by World you mean the Anglo-American Hegemon, then sure, Dugin wants to destroy the World...Your World.


Oh Grasshopper, you have much to learn.
And now nope.


No, Novus, dear God, Nea, avert thine eyes!
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 11:52 am

Novus America wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:If by World you mean the Anglo-American Hegemon, then sure, Dugin wants to destroy the World...Your World.


Oh Grasshopper, you have much to learn.
He wants to destroy Russia too.
“The meaning of Russia is that through the Russian people will be realized the last thought of God, the thought of the End of the World. . . . Death is the way to immortality. Love will begin when the world ends. We must long for it, like true Christians. . . . We are uprooting the accursed Tree of Knowledge. With it will perish the Universe.”

I think by "accursed Tree of Knowledge", Dugin is referring to Liberalism and all its claptrap; "the World" with all its pleasures and temptations. He's saying the only way for things to move forward is to destroy Liberalism.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue May 14, 2019 11:52 am

Novus America wrote:As far as Dugin goes he is the Russian version of L. Ron Hubbard really.

Yea, he is a nut, but he does have his connections and admirers. He seems to be popular amongst many of the non-capitalists in the alt-right.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 11:54 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:As far as Dugin goes he is the Russian version of L. Ron Hubbard really.

You're comparing Dugin to the Founder of Scientology?


Absolutely.
Their work shares many parallels. Fake history, check.
Ancient Manichean struggle continuing today, check.
External pseudo Christian symbolism to draw in Christians, check.
High fantasy mixed with eclectic political and religious ideas, check.
Not differentiation between such fantasy and reality, double check.

Of course L Ron Hubbard draws from 1950s Sci Fi over Esoteric Nazism.

Their influences are different, but the are certainly bear many similarities.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue May 14, 2019 11:55 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Oh Grasshopper, you have much to learn.
He wants to destroy Russia too.
“The meaning of Russia is that through the Russian people will be realized the last thought of God, the thought of the End of the World. . . . Death is the way to immortality. Love will begin when the world ends. We must long for it, like true Christians. . . . We are uprooting the accursed Tree of Knowledge. With it will perish the Universe.”

I think by "accursed Tree of Knowledge", Dugin is referring to Liberalism and all its claptrap; "the World" with all its pleasures and temptations. He's saying the only way for things to move forward is to destroy Liberalism.


If I may, and please forgive me if I seem boorish, but I find the explanation of "it's just a figure of speech" to be unlikely, especially given one of Dugin's influences, the fascist turbo-mystic Evola.
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 11:56 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I think by "accursed Tree of Knowledge", Dugin is referring to Liberalism and all its claptrap; "the World" with all its pleasures and temptations. He's saying the only way for things to move forward is to destroy Liberalism.


If I may, and please forgive me if I seem boorish, but I find the explanation of "it's just a figure of speech" to be unlikely, especially given one of Dugin's influences, the fascist turbo-mystic Evola.

Why? did Evola reject Metaphor or Abstraction?
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Postby Zordennox » Tue May 14, 2019 11:56 am

I have some reading suggestions that might be good to add onto this thread, Old Tyrannia.

Revolt Against the Modern World, Julius Evola
https://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Against-M ... 089281506X

Political Theology, Carl Schmitt
https://www.amazon.com/Political-Theolo ... 0226738892

Ethnos and Society, Aleksandr Dugin
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ethnos ... 1128075499
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue May 14, 2019 11:57 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
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Oh I absolutely believe in doing that.

The difference is that I categorize them as part of the West. :twisted:

I suppose that just about everything is "the West" from your position.

Reminds me of an old joke about a Yorkshireman complaining about "southerners" to a man from the Orkneys.


Just the parts that don't accept Confucianism and Buddhism.

Don't worry OT, you are a junzi and shall be spared.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 11:59 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I suppose that just about everything is "the West" from your position.

Reminds me of an old joke about a Yorkshireman complaining about "southerners" to a man from the Orkneys.


Just the parts that don't accept Confucianism and Buddhism.

Don't worry OT, you are a junzi and shall be spared.

That's everything West of Tibet more or less, right?

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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 11:59 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Oh Grasshopper, you have much to learn.
He wants to destroy Russia too.
“The meaning of Russia is that through the Russian people will be realized the last thought of God, the thought of the End of the World. . . . Death is the way to immortality. Love will begin when the world ends. We must long for it, like true Christians. . . . We are uprooting the accursed Tree of Knowledge. With it will perish the Universe.”

I think by "accursed Tree of Knowledge", Dugin is referring to Liberalism and all its claptrap; "the World" with all its pleasures and temptations. He's saying the only way for things to move forward is to destroy Liberalism.


That is like saying David Icke really is talking about Jews, not actual Lizzards.

I guess you missed the death part. The purpose of Russia is to die, according to him.
Yes he believes the entire material world is evil and should be destroyed.
But you live in the material world too.
So does Russia.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 11:59 am

Zordennox wrote:I have some reading suggestions that might be good to add onto this thread, Old Tyrannia.

Revolt Against the Modern World, Julius Evola
https://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Against-M ... 089281506X


ngl I'm actually planning to dive into Evola once I finish up with Dugin's silliness. I've heard some amusing things about the superfascist and it'll be nice to see how true it all is.
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Blessed and fortunate is he who knowing the sacred rites of the Gods leads a pure life.
Australian gun control didn't work. A rebuttal to the "well regulated militia" argument.
Probably not going to be very active and will come and go until the mods try to fix this hellhole

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue May 14, 2019 11:59 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Just the parts that don't accept Confucianism and Buddhism.

Don't worry OT, you are a junzi and shall be spared.

That's everything West of Tibet more or less, right?


Yes.
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Postby Zordennox » Tue May 14, 2019 12:01 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:If by World you mean the Anglo-American Hegemon, then sure, Dugin wants to destroy the World...Your World.


No, as in the actual physical world. As in, Dugin's ultimate goal is to unmake reality itself. Pardon my language, but that shit's wack my dude.


No, Dugin's plan is not to unmake reality, but to return to a previous, sacred existence. Dugin rejects the relativism and nihilism of modernity. This does not make him a nihilist for opposing nihilism.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 12:01 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Zordennox wrote:I have some reading suggestions that might be good to add onto this thread, Old Tyrannia.

Revolt Against the Modern World, Julius Evola
https://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Against-M ... 089281506X


ngl I'm actually planning to dive into Evola once I finish up with Dugin's silliness. I've heard some amusing things about the superfascist and it'll be nice to see how true it all is.

We've all heard some amusing things about him...Is he really so bad?

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