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Totally Not OEP wrote:

Duhon wrote:So... secession later. Neither Lincoln nor the south would've brooked compromise with regards to slavery. There would still be civil war, or at best a random disturbance by southern stragglers that would never really amount to anything, but would solidify northern opinion in favor of abolition if not complete racial egalitarianism.

Probably not; once it was shown that Southern fears about a Republican President were unfounded, Secession would become unlikely.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Duhon wrote:So... secession later. Neither Lincoln nor the south would've brooked compromise with regards to slavery. There would still be civil war, or at best a random disturbance by southern stragglers that would never really amount to anything, but would solidify northern opinion in favor of abolition if not complete racial egalitarianism.

Probably not; once it was shown that Southern fears about a Republican President were unfounded, Secession would become unlikely.

Duhon wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Probably not; once it was shown that Southern fears about a Republican President were unfounded, Secession would become unlikely.

Which would've meant the Republicans abjuring their campaign promises, which I think is even more unlikely.

Novus America wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Probably not; once it was shown that Southern fears about a Republican President were unfounded, Secession would become unlikely.

So you acknowledge the South was wrong and unreasonable.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:What is your most valued book (collection)?

For me, it's my collection of "Great Ages of Man", each book provides an easy-to-read overview of different times and places, with chapters on culture, politics, religion, art, etc and pictures. I have books on the Reformation, Enlightenment, Ancient China, Imperial Rome, Byzantium, Classical Greece, Early Japan, Ancient Egypt, Historic India, Ancient America, Early Islam, Medieval Europe, 17th century Europe and the Age of Exploration. They're no longer published, which is a travesty.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:What is your most valued book (collection)?

For me, it's my collection of "Great Ages of Man", each book provides an easy-to-read overview of different times and places, with chapters on culture, politics, religion, art, etc and pictures. I have books on the Reformation, Enlightenment, Ancient China, Imperial Rome, Byzantium, Classical Greece, Early Japan, Ancient Egypt, Historic India, Ancient America, Early Islam, Medieval Europe, 17th century Europe and the Age of Exploration. They're no longer published, which is a travesty.

Duhon wrote:Well, speaking of the South and its barbaric "Cause", here's a question: could anything have prevented the split of the Union and descent into Civil War, during the 1860s and afterwards?

Totally Not OEP wrote:Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

Totally Not OEP wrote:Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

Hanafuridake wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

Posts like this convince me that maybe CM has a point, at least in regard to the failure to take punitive measures so that secessionist ideas would never have arisen in the South again.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

What did he mean by this?

Duhon wrote:
While I'm not gonna go so far to recommend the death of every slaver in the South,

Reconstruction should've lasted a lot longer, and the Grant admin far more decisive, in stamping out unrest. Representative democracy in the South shouldn't have returned so soon, with a majority of people in favor of keeping blacks in utter subjection for as long as possible, slavery or no.

Conserative Morality wrote:Also gib Dominican Republic pls

It's free real estate

1.5 mil payment for national debts is nothing, basically free

Conserative Morality wrote:Also gib Dominican Republic pls

It's free real estate

1.5 mil payment for national debts is nothing, basically free

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why do you want Dominican Republic?

Conserative Morality wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why do you want Dominican Republic?

M A N I F E S T D E S T I N Y

Also, as several of its supporters mused upon when it was being considered, having a black majority state without an entrenched white aristocracy would have contributed to much needed balance in Congress and also acted as a kind of 'safety valve' for black populations in the South who otherwise would have had little other choice but to stay and knuckle under the still-extant Southern aristocracy.

Asherahan wrote:Serious question why didn't the US annex Cuba and the Caribbean islands in the 1890s and 1900s?

Thermodolia wrote:

Asherahan wrote:Serious question why didn't the US annex Cuba and the Caribbean islands in the 1890s and 1900s?

Because Spanish. Literally. There where a group of people who didn’t want Spanish people in the US in any majority

Conserative Morality wrote:

Duhon wrote:Well, speaking of the South and its barbaric "Cause", here's a question: could anything have prevented the split of the Union and descent into Civil War, during the 1860s and afterwards?

We could have rounded up and shot every slaver in the South.

Asherahan wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Because Spanish. Literally. There where a group of people who didn’t want Spanish people in the US in any majority

But almost free clay, resources and manpower!

Thermodolia wrote:

Asherahan wrote:But almost free clay, resources and manpower!

Nobody ever said racists where smart

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:N O

Also, what makes you think Dominican Republic would be able to vote when Guam and Peurto Rico can't?