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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:14 am

Duhon wrote:Nonsense. People want peace, prosperity, equal and decent treatment, good conscientious leaders, not insanity by every other name.

Are you really stupid enough to think that the current neo-liberal world order provides those things?

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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:30 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Duhon wrote:Nonsense. People want peace, prosperity, equal and decent treatment, good conscientious leaders, not insanity by every other name.

Are you really stupid enough to think that the current neo-liberal world order provides those things?

Eh. It has come the closest to providing them. Not very close -not close at all, in fact- but still a head and shoulders better than anything else.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:31 am

North German Realm wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Are you really stupid enough to think that the current neo-liberal world order provides those things?

Eh. It has come the closest to providing them. Not very close -not close at all, in fact- but still a head and shoulders better than anything else.

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:58 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jolthig wrote:What's it about?


It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.


Let no one say that I have the edgiest ideology here. I'm tame compared to this.

Anyway, Imperium is a dry read that paraphrases Spengler more often than not. Content aside, it's just bad. The history is even worse.

Imperium wrote:The anti-financial heroic attitude of the South gave it an immense advantage in the field overt the Yankee armies, who were inoculated with a war propaganda of jealousy of the superior life in the South. The war was a contest — not last in Western history — between quality and quantity.
What does traditional life feeling even mean wrote:The Secession-War arose on the issue of whether the Southern states, comprising a unit based on an aristocratic-traditional life-feeling, with an economic basis of muscle-energy, could secede from the union, which had been captured by the Yankee element. The Yankee territory was organized on a financial-industrial basis, with an economic basis of machine-energy.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:01 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.


Let no one say that I have the edgiest ideology here. I'm tame compared to this.

Anyway, Imperium is a dry read that paraphrases Spengler more often than not. Content aside, it's just bad. The history is even worse.

Imperium wrote:The anti-financial heroic attitude of the South gave it an immense advantage in the field overt the Yankee armies, who were inoculated with a war propaganda of jealousy of the superior life in the South. The war was a contest — not last in Western history — between quality and quantity.
What does traditional life feeling even mean wrote:The Secession-War arose on the issue of whether the Southern states, comprising a unit based on an aristocratic-traditional life-feeling, with an economic basis of muscle-energy, could secede from the union, which had been captured by the Yankee element. The Yankee territory was organized on a financial-industrial basis, with an economic basis of machine-energy.

I guess that prize goes to Washington?

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Bear Stearns
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Capitalizt

Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
It's going to be hella funny if hatred for computer nerds is what brings the Left and Right together.


It actually seems like it is at times. Outside of neolib types, who really likes Silicon Valley or big tech?


Honestly. At least Wall Street is open about greed and bankers don't pretend that what they do is world-changing and compare themselves to Gandhi.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:02 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.


Let no one say that I have the edgiest ideology here. I'm tame compared to this.

Anyway, Imperium is a dry read that paraphrases Spengler more often than not. Content aside, it's just bad. The history is even worse.

Imperium wrote:The anti-financial heroic attitude of the South gave it an immense advantage in the field overt the Yankee armies, who were inoculated with a war propaganda of jealousy of the superior life in the South. The war was a contest — not last in Western history — between quality and quantity.
What does traditional life feeling even mean wrote:The Secession-War arose on the issue of whether the Southern states, comprising a unit based on an aristocratic-traditional life-feeling, with an economic basis of muscle-energy, could secede from the union, which had been captured by the Yankee element. The Yankee territory was organized on a financial-industrial basis, with an economic basis of machine-energy.


The Yankee territory was organized on glorious Anglo-Saxon Calvinism and middle class mercantilism. Ho!
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Senkaku
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:02 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Eh. It has come the closest to providing them. Not very close -not close at all, in fact- but still a head and shoulders better than anything else.

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unironically this
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:40 am

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:03 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:

:p


If that's CM in a nutshell, what am I in a nutshell?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:07 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:

:p


If that's CM in a nutshell, what am I in a nutshell?

Someone who is too concerned about how other people think of you.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:15 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
If that's CM in a nutshell, what am I in a nutshell?

Someone who is too concerned about how other people think of you.


That is... well, it wasn't what I was expecting (I was expecting a meme), but it's rather accurate tbh.
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monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:46 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Are you really stupid enough to think that the current neo-liberal world order provides those things?

Eh. It has come the closest to providing them. Not very close -not close at all, in fact- but still a head and shoulders better than anything else.

The neo-liberal world is has grown stale and deserves to be thoroughly dismantled, tbh.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:47 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Eh. It has come the closest to providing them. Not very close -not close at all, in fact- but still a head and shoulders better than anything else.

The neo-liberal world is has grown stale and deserves to be thoroughly dismantled, tbh.

And be replaced with what?
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:52 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The neo-liberal world is has grown stale and deserves to be thoroughly dismantled, tbh.

And be replaced with what?

An order that doesn't make America the enforcers for neo-liberal global interests.
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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:52 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Eh. It has come the closest to providing them. Not very close -not close at all, in fact- but still a head and shoulders better than anything else.

The neo-liberal world is has grown stale and deserves to be thoroughly dismantled, tbh.

The far right has to go before the moderates do.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:52 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
North German Realm wrote:And be replaced with what?

An order that doesn't make America the enforcers for neo-liberal global interests.


Quite ironic that it was introduced by America under Bill Clinton and the Washington Consensus.

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Postby North German Realm » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:53 pm

Nakena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:An order that doesn't make America the enforcers for neo-liberal global interests.


Quite ironic that it was introduced by America under Bill Clinton and the Washington Consensus.

Eeeeeeeeeh. One can argue that Reagan was a neoliberal.

Nova Cyberia wrote:
North German Realm wrote:And be replaced with what?

An order that doesn't make America the enforcers for neo-liberal global interests.

That doesn't sound vague and a pretext to establish a corrupt and useless military dictatorship at all, nosiree.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:54 pm

Soviet Tankistan wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The neo-liberal world is has grown stale and deserves to be thoroughly dismantled, tbh.

The far right has to go before the moderates do.

Funny, here I was thinking about the best way to deal with communists in such a society.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:54 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Quite ironic that it was introduced by America under Bill Clinton and the Washington Consensus.

Eeeeeeeeeh. One can argue that Reagan was a neoliberal.

Nova Cyberia wrote:An order that doesn't make America the enforcers for neo-liberal global interests.

That doesn't sound vague and a pretext to establish a corrupt and useless military dictatorship at all, nosiree.

But I'm not advocating for a military dictatorship?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:55 pm

Nakena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:An order that doesn't make America the enforcers for neo-liberal global interests.


Quite ironic that it was introduced by America under Bill Clinton and the Washington Consensus.

Bill should have just stuck to blowjobs and stayed out of politics.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:58 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
North German Realm wrote:And be replaced with what?

An order that doesn't make America the enforcers for neo-liberal global interests.

Political vagueness.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:00 pm

Soviet Tankistan wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The neo-liberal world is has grown stale and deserves to be thoroughly dismantled, tbh.

The far right has to go before the moderates do.


We've been sharpening our bayonets waiting for y'all to try just that for sometime.
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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:00 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Soviet Tankistan wrote:The far right has to go before the moderates do.

Funny, here I was thinking about the best way to deal with communists in such a society.

The far right can be monsters, real leftists just want the best for humanity. I'm not far left, so I want to keep it realistic in the context that revolution happens and prevails. Communism is too unlikely in a large urban environment like most major countries.
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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:01 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Soviet Tankistan wrote:The far right has to go before the moderates do.


We've been sharpening our bayonets waiting for y'all to try just that for sometime.

And that's gone well in the past?
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