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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:10 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Novus America wrote:
While Japan was definitely screwed from the beginning, it still was a long fight with the most epic naval battles in history. And the land warfare was really brutal.

Ever read The Rising Sun by John Tolland? Best book on the Pacific War IMHO.

No
You got a pdf of it?

Novus America wrote:
WWI Eastern Front is fascinating and also unjustly overlooked.

But the naval combat was pretty lackluster in WWI overall.
WWII Pacific War has the best naval combat.

The way the Russians mobilized despite having inferior technology and deployment methods compared with germany, but also being defeated at Tannenburg was also fascinating.


I actually have an old hard copy, dated 1981, before I was born.
It is still in print though, you can definitely get copies still.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:12 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I prefer the *Russian Civil War, really intriguing mix of old-fashioned tactics, new technology, professional troops and peasant conscripts. Plus a confusing and chaotic geopolitical situation. Hard to get bored.

That one was also pretty epic. Though I'm not too familiar with the tactics used. But emperor tigerstar has an epic animation on it

Novus America wrote:
Jolthig wrote:No
You got a pdf of it?


The way the Russians mobilized despite having inferior technology and deployment methods compared with germany, but also being defeated at Tannenburg was also fascinating.


I actually have an old hard copy, dated 1981, before I was born.
It is still in print though, you can definitely get copies still.

I'll see if its available at my local library
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:13 pm

But If anyone wants good and to the point history videos, watch the Armchair Historian and the doc, ww2 in color
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:17 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I prefer the *Russian Civil War, really intriguing mix of old-fashioned tactics, new technology, professional troops and peasant conscripts. Plus a confusing and chaotic geopolitical situation. Hard to get bored.

That one was also pretty epic. Though I'm not too familiar with the tactics used. But emperor tigerstar has an epic animation on it

Novus America wrote:
I actually have an old hard copy, dated 1981, before I was born.
It is still in print though, you can definitely get copies still.

I'll see if its available at my local library


It might be, you can also buy a copy off Amazon for some 10 dollars.
It is worth it, you will probably read it more than once.

It is not written dryly at all, it is heavily written from the point of view of the participants, based on their writings and interviews.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:13 pm

Novus America wrote:
Jolthig wrote:That one was also pretty epic. Though I'm not too familiar with the tactics used. But emperor tigerstar has an epic animation on it


I'll see if its available at my local library


It might be, you can also buy a copy off Amazon for some 10 dollars.
It is worth it, you will probably read it more than once.

It is not written dryly at all, it is heavily written from the point of view of the participants, based on their writings and interviews.

Interesting
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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:14 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I prefer the *Russian Civil War, really intriguing mix of old-fashioned tactics, new technology, professional troops and peasant conscripts. Plus a confusing and chaotic geopolitical situation. Hard to get bored.

It had one of the greatest songs too. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 1432388650
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:27 pm

r/DebateFascism finally got the axe. Tbh I'm pretty bummed, there was a ton of good debate and reading material there.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:r/DebateFascism finally got the axe. Tbh I'm pretty bummed, there was a ton of good debate and reading material there.


Wtf, what "violent content" did they post about? I dislike fascism and the ideology but they seemed civil compared to related subreddits.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:37 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:r/DebateFascism finally got the axe. Tbh I'm pretty bummed, there was a ton of good debate and reading material there.


Wtf, what "violent content" did they post about? I dislike fascism and the ideology but they seemed civil compared to related subreddits.


It was unironically the most civil of all the debate subreddits, and always was that way too. Ye olde admins just didn't want it around anymore.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:51 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Wtf, what "violent content" did they post about? I dislike fascism and the ideology but they seemed civil compared to related subreddits.


It was unironically the most civil of all the debate subreddits, and always was that way too. Ye olde admins just didn't want it around anymore.

How the fuck does that get the axe but Chapo still exists?

Was DebateFascism really worse than Chapo?
Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:11 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It was unironically the most civil of all the debate subreddits, and always was that way too. Ye olde admins just didn't want it around anymore.

How the fuck does that get the axe but Chapo still exists?

Was DebateFascism really worse than Chapo?


Making jokes about killing the rich is :0kay_hand:

Debating a controversial political ideology is haram.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:38 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:How the fuck does that get the axe but Chapo still exists?

Was DebateFascism really worse than Chapo?


Making jokes about killing the rich is :0kay_hand:

Debating a controversial political ideology is haram.

Chapo also seems to have a large community of tankies. God forbid anyone treat then as the genocidal maniacs that they are.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:r/DebateFascism finally got the axe. Tbh I'm pretty bummed, there was a ton of good debate and reading material there.


Silicon Valley really out here trying to get a Brown-Red alliance going against them.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:40 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:r/DebateFascism finally got the axe. Tbh I'm pretty bummed, there was a ton of good debate and reading material there.


Silicon Valley really out here trying to get a Brown-Red alliance going against them.


On that note everyone here should read Imperium.
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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Silicon Valley really out here trying to get a Brown-Red alliance going against them.


On that note everyone here should read Imperium.

What's it about?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:45 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
On that note everyone here should read Imperium.

What's it about?


It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:46 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jolthig wrote:What's it about?


It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.

See, you had me going for a moment, but then you mentioned alliance with Facists, Nazis and the USSR, and totalitarianism just sunk the whole ship.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jolthig wrote:What's it about?


It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.


.... I can tell it isn't.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:56 pm

Duhon wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.


.... I can tell it isn't.


If you enjoy political thought as much as I it certainly is.

Though it can be a slog to get through, iirc it's nearly 700 pages which is just a bit shorter than Mein Kampf and that book can be a pain to sit through after a while.
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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:57 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.

What is it with fascists writing complete fantasy and then trying to pass it off as a good thing?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:59 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.

What is it with fascists writing complete fantasy and then trying to pass it off as a good thing?


tbf that's most political books in a nutshell
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:tbf that's most political books in a nutshell

Touche, although I'd argue that some texts are more fantastical than others. This is one of them.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:What is it with fascists writing complete fantasy and then trying to pass it off as a good thing?


tbf that's most political books in a nutshell

Yes, but facists tend to be particularly shitty writers.
Then again, that’s not endemic to facists, so…
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Postby Duhon » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:What is it with fascists writing complete fantasy and then trying to pass it off as a good thing?


tbf that's most political books in a nutshell


yeah
but not many political fantasists want the world's obliteration for
uh
i dunno

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jolthig wrote:What's it about?


It's a really interesting read even if you don't agree with its politics. Tl;dr is the writer, Yockey, essentially argues for a new totalitarian pan-European state that jettisons all the old ideologies and attempts to build something new. He was also supportive of an, as OEP mentioned, Red-Brown alliance between western fascists and Nazis and the USSR to try and destroy the current liberal world order.

I always research every ideology so I could read it someday
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