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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:53 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Most people hate the current imcarnation of the state. To be a patriot isn't really to support the current state. It means identifying with and upholding the values of your country and wanting what's best for you country.

The current State disagrees.

Irrelevant.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:53 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:You have a stronger touch of modernity about you.

Image


You identify with Shatov, what did you expect.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:So who wins in a fight? Washington or Xeno?


I mean

I build machine guns lol


Inb4 WRA arms a militia and overthrows liberal democracy.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:59 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:You have a stronger touch of modernity about you.

Image

Come now, it's just a touch. How could I ever imagine you without a nice red coat? :p
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:17 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:You have a violent temperament?


In terms of policy outlook and how I feel problems should be solved, yes.

What does that mean?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:19 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Most people hate the current imcarnation of the state. To be a patriot isn't really to support the current state. It means identifying with and upholding the values of your country and wanting what's best for you country.

So who wins in a fight? Washington or Xeno?

Washington without question. He'll knock me out before I can say "where's the spare button?"
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:19 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
In terms of policy outlook and how I feel problems should be solved, yes.

What does that mean?


CM rubbed off on me and I've come to believe in the power of the firing squad.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:20 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What does that mean?


CM rubbed off on me and I've come to believe in the power of the firing squad.

A firing squad on whom?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:34 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
CM rubbed off on me and I've come to believe in the power of the firing squad.

A firing squad on whom?

Atomwaffen.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:38 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:So who wins in a fight? Washington or Xeno?


I mean

I build machine guns lol

Seriously? That's awesome.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:44 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:A firing squad on whom?

Atomwaffen.

Who's that?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What does that mean?


CM rubbed off on me and I've come to believe in the power of the firing squad.


You sir, are scary. We all talk shit on the Internet, but for some reason I get the feeling you could actually pull such a thing off.

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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:48 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Atomwaffen.

Who's that?

A neo-Nazi terrorist network that are responsible for at least five murders. Their members promote lone wolf attacks on various targets along with a lot of other really horrendous shit. Two of their UK branch members were recently imprisoned and among the things they advocated were:
- Killing Prince Harry and his wife
- Killing white women in interracial relationships (oddly doesn't apply to white men, it rarely does)
- One advocated for the torture, rape, and murder of women and babies in general
- The other one advocated decapitating babies in general to prevent them from becoming leftist politicians and supporters etc

Oh and their ideological figurehead was convicted of possessing child porn.

What a great bunch./s
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:51 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Who's that?

A neo-Nazi terrorist network that are responsible for at least five murders. Their members promote lone wolf attacks on various targets along with a lot of other really horrendous shit. Two of their UK branch members were recently imprisoned and among the things they advocated were:
- Killing Prince Harry and his wife
- Killing white women in interracial relationships (oddly doesn't apply to white men, it rarely does)
- One advocated for the torture, rape, and murder of women and babies in general
- The other one advocated decapitating babies in general to prevent them from becoming leftist politicians and supporters etc

Oh and their ideological spirit head was convicted of possessing child porn.

What a great bunch./s

Ah...They definitely deserve an appearance before a firing squad.

I'd imagine there's not that many of them, are there?
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:56 am

The last that I remember hearing about Atomwaffen was when one of their Floridan members converted to Islam and shot some of the others.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:58 am

Hanafuridake wrote:The last that I remember hearing about Atomwaffen was when one of their Floridan members converted to Islam and shot some of the others.

The Night of the Long Scimitars

(*crickets*)
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:01 am

Hanafuridake wrote:The last that I remember hearing about Atomwaffen was when one of their Floridan members converted to Islam and shot some of the others.

Admittedly that was hilarious. But no, they have been popping up more and more. They are responsible for killing Blaze Bernstein and iirc another one of their members was arrested a few months after authorities found out he was planning on committing a mass shooting.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:02 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:The last that I remember hearing about Atomwaffen was when one of their Floridan members converted to Islam and shot some of the others.

Admittedly that was hilarious. But no, they have been popping up more and more. They are responsible for killing Blaze Bernstein and iirc another one of their members was arrested a few months after authorities found out he was planning on committing a mass shooting.

Where do they come from? I know they're neo-Nazis, but what country does their organization originate in?
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:05 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Admittedly that was hilarious. But no, they have been popping up more and more. They are responsible for killing Blaze Bernstein and iirc another one of their members was arrested a few months after authorities found out he was planning on committing a mass shooting.

Where do they come from? I know they're neo-Nazis, but what country does their organization originate in?

They started in the US but have since been found elsewhere. The UK, Baltic states, I think Canada.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:09 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Where do they come from? I know they're neo-Nazis, but what country does their organization originate in?

They started in the US but have since been found elsewhere. The UK, Baltic states, I think Canada.

The UK and Canada isn't surprising given its American origins. As for the Baltics, a lot of men there joined the SS, when the Nazis came sweeping in - they didn't want to pass up on an opportunity to kill some Russians; so I'm not surprised there either. Its disgusting and very tragic that this ideology has continued to live on, but given the current political and social climate, its not surprising.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:13 am

Conserative Morality wrote:All the great men of history pass down their souls into all of us; those millions who are heirs to their spirit and their thinking. We are all, in a sense, reincarnations of these great souls, and reflect both their origin and their continued development within us.

No I don't actually believe that but it's a nice intro innit?

OT - the heir of Benjamin Disraeli

Nea Byzantia - the heir of Constantine

UMN - the heir of Leo Tolstoy

WRA - the heir of Ted Kaczynski Cato The Younger

Salus Maior - the heir of Casimir The Great

Novus America - the heir of Teddy Roosevelt

Hanafuridake - the heir of Emperor Komei

Bienenhalde - the heir of Frederick The Great

Diopolis - the heir of Charles Maurras


And as to me?
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:15 am

For an added layer of insanity, the Atomwaffen members arrested in the UK were of Slavic origins judging by their surnames, meaning that 1) they or their recent ancestors were probably immigrants, and 2) most of the real Nazis would have considered them racially inferior. It's quite remarkable, really, how many neo-Nazis belong to groups that would have been persecuted in the Third Reich.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:16 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:For an added layer of insanity, the Atomwaffen members arrested in the UK were of Slavic origins judging by their surnames, meaning that 1) they or their recent ancestors were probably immigrants, and 2) most of the real Nazis would have considered them racially inferior. It's quite remarkable, really, how many neo-Nazis belong to groups that would have been persecuted in the Third Reich.

That's very ironic. Then again, a lot of groups have a dark history of collaborating with Hitler's regime to settle ethnic scores and vendettas: Many Baltics and Ukrainians voluntarily joined the SS to go fight in Russia due to their bad blood with the Russians; not to mention the Ustase Croats and Bosnian Muslim collaboration with the Nazi occupiers in order to get back at the Serbs, and Bulgaria's aligning with the Axis so that they could take Greek Thrace for themselves, and strike at the Greeks.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:18 am

As a side note, I thought that Atomwaffen was just an urban legend, like a boogeyman or something of that sort. I'm immensely disturbed to know that it's a real terrorist network. Anyway, my shift starts at 16:00 and it's currently 13:18. I need to get ready.
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:36 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:As a side note, I thought that Atomwaffen was just an urban legend, like a boogeyman or something of that sort. I'm immensely disturbed to know that it's a real terrorist network. Anyway, my shift starts at 16:00 and it's currently 13:18. I need to get ready.

Enjoy! Good luck!

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