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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:53 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Golf clapping?

Because you can't have a democracy with two people, and same sex marriage shouldn't be a thing.

Why shouldn't a woman who's more qualified than the average cadet be able to join the military?

Then why not have two votes per household?

What would you say to a stable loving homosexual couple of two men equally qualified to vote? Which one of them gets the vote?


Do you really have a hard time understanding that gay couples wouldn't be legal in the society that Dio wants?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:59 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why shouldn't a woman who's more qualified than the average cadet be able to join the military?

Then why not have two votes per household?

What would you say to a stable loving homosexual couple of two men equally qualified to vote? Which one of them gets the vote?


Do you really have a hard time understanding that gay couples wouldn't be legal in the society that Dio wants?

I suspect it maybe. But he hasn't outright stated he wants to criminalize homosexuality, and until he does, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he doesn't. Assuming the worst in people is a bad habit to pick up when debating.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:03 am

All the great men of history pass down their souls into all of us; those millions who are heirs to their spirit and their thinking. We are all, in a sense, reincarnations of these great souls, and reflect both their origin and their continued development within us.

No I don't actually believe that but it's a nice intro innit?

OT - the heir of Benjamin Disraeli

Nea Byzantia - the heir of Constantine

UMN - the heir of Leo Tolstoy

WRA - the heir of Ted Kaczynski Cato The Younger

Salus Maior - the heir of Casimir The Great

Novus America - the heir of Teddy Roosevelt

Hanafuridake - the heir of Emperor Komei

Bienenhalde - the heir of Frederick The Great

Diopolis - the heir of Charles Maurras
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:07 am

Conserative Morality wrote:All the great men of history pass down their souls into all of us; those millions who are heirs to their spirit and their thinking. We are all, in a sense, reincarnations of these great souls, and reflect both their origin and their continued development within us.

No I don't actually believe that but it's a nice intro innit?

OT - the heir of Benjamin Disraeli

Nea Byzantia - the heir of Constantine

UMN - the heir of Leo Tolstoy

WRA - the heir of Ted Kaczynski Cato The Younger

Salus Maior - the heir of Casimir The Great

Novus America - the heir of Teddy Roosevelt

Hanafuridake - the heir of Emperor Komei

Bienenhalde - the heir of Frederick The Great

Diopolis - the heir of Charles Maurras

Ooh. Do me! Do me!
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:09 am

Conserative Morality wrote:All the great men of history pass down their souls into all of us; those millions who are heirs to their spirit and their thinking. We are all, in a sense, reincarnations of these great souls, and reflect both their origin and their continued development within us.

No I don't actually believe that but it's a nice intro innit?

OT - the heir of Benjamin Disraeli

Nea Byzantia - the heir of Constantine

UMN - the heir of Leo Tolstoy

WRA - the heir of Ted Kaczynski Cato The Younger

Salus Maior - the heir of Casimir The Great

Novus America - the heir of Teddy Roosevelt

Hanafuridake - the heir of Emperor Komei

Bienenhalde - the heir of Frederick The Great

Diopolis - the heir of Charles Maurras

And you? Who are you? Robespierre?

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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:10 am

Conserative Morality wrote:All the great men of history pass down their souls into all of us; those millions who are heirs to their spirit and their thinking. We are all, in a sense, reincarnations of these great souls, and reflect both their origin and their continued development within us.

No I don't actually believe that but it's a nice intro innit?

OT - the heir of Benjamin Disraeli

I must admit, this is slightly disappointing when other people are getting the likes of Constantine, Casamir and Frederick the Great.

Also, I've put up a new poll. This one probably won't run for as long but it's something I'm interested in canvassing opinions on.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:11 am

Conserative Morality wrote:WRA - the heir of Ted Kaczynski Cato The Younger


I'm fine with both of these tbh

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:14 am

Conserative Morality wrote:All the great men of history pass down their souls into all of us; those millions who are heirs to their spirit and their thinking. We are all, in a sense, reincarnations of these great souls, and reflect both their origin and their continued development within us.

Hanafuridake - the heir of Emperor Komei


I expected Kobo Daishi or Honen, but this is still good.

Though this tells me that I'm probably going to be assassinated for being too belligerent to the barbarians. :?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:16 am

I don't exactly consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous with one another. Very closely linked for sure, but different still.

I feel quite comfortable describing myself as a nationalist or an ultranationalist even but I'm not quite sure I could call myself a patriot as I feel little love for the American republic as it currently exists.

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:17 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I don't exactly consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous with one another. Very closely linked for sure, but different still.

I feel quite comfortable describing myself as a nationalist or an ultranationalist even but I'm not quite sure I could call myself a patriot as I feel little love for the American republic as it currently exists.

Very few people do. The Republic has become a sick Oligarchy which only operates to the benefit of a very small few.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:18 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I don't exactly consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous with one another. Very closely linked for sure, but different still.

I feel quite comfortable describing myself as a nationalist or an ultranationalist even but I'm not quite sure I could call myself a patriot as I feel little love for the American republic as it currently exists.

To be a nationalist but not a patriot seems, not like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but like throwing just the baby out, and raising dirty bathwater as your child.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Psychedelic Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
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I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:18 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I don't exactly consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous with one another. Very closely linked for sure, but different still.

I feel quite comfortable describing myself as a nationalist or an ultranationalist even but I'm not quite sure I could call myself a patriot as I feel little love for the American republic as it currently exists.


Honestly you don't come across as much of an ultra-nationalist. I feel like an ultra-nationalist would blend religion and nationalism or be more bellicose. Of course, you could believe that the President should declare himself son of Jupiter and inaugurate an American Neo-Hellenist Empire, but you seem too sane really.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:22 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:I must admit, this is slightly disappointing when other people are getting the likes of Constantine, Casamir and Frederick the Great.

Also, I've put up a new poll. This one probably won't run for as long but it's something I'm interested in canvassing opinions on.

You have a stronger touch of modernity about you. And I thought it appropriate considering his contribution to One-Nation Conservatism. Is there a figure you think suits you better? I chose Disraeli as a modern, forward-thinking man nevertheless dedicated to upholding the traditions and institutions of his nation, and its glory.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:24 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:And you? Who are you? Robespierre?

Saint-Just. =^)
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:26 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:All the great men of history pass down their souls into all of us; those millions who are heirs to their spirit and their thinking. We are all, in a sense, reincarnations of these great souls, and reflect both their origin and their continued development within us.

No I don't actually believe that but it's a nice intro innit?

OT - the heir of Benjamin Disraeli

Nea Byzantia - the heir of Constantine

UMN - the heir of Leo Tolstoy

WRA - the heir of Ted Kaczynski Cato The Younger

Salus Maior - the heir of Casimir The Great

Novus America - the heir of Teddy Roosevelt

Hanafuridake - the heir of Emperor Komei

Bienenhalde - the heir of Frederick The Great

Diopolis - the heir of Charles Maurras

And you? Who are you? Robespierre?


Lycurgus.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:27 am

Hanafuridake wrote:Lycurgus.

delet i am good son of mercantile Western traditions
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:27 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I don't exactly consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous with one another. Very closely linked for sure, but different still.

I feel quite comfortable describing myself as a nationalist or an ultranationalist even but I'm not quite sure I could call myself a patriot as I feel little love for the American republic as it currently exists.

To be a nationalist but not a patriot seems, not like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but like throwing just the baby out, and raising dirty bathwater as your child.


I still support America putting itself and its interests above anyone else's, I just openly admit I have little love for the current incarnation of the state and how it functions while doing so. If that makes sense.

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I don't exactly consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous with one another. Very closely linked for sure, but different still.

I feel quite comfortable describing myself as a nationalist or an ultranationalist even but I'm not quite sure I could call myself a patriot as I feel little love for the American republic as it currently exists.


Honestly you don't come across as much of an ultra-nationalist. I feel like an ultra-nationalist would blend religion and nationalism or be more bellicose. Of course, you could believe that the President should declare himself son of Jupiter and inaugurate an American Neo-Hellenist Empire, but you seem too sane really.


I tend to be a bit more benine on NSG than elsewhere, I still don't have any real desire to bring religion into government but bellicosity is something I have in spades.

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:29 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:To be a nationalist but not a patriot seems, not like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but like throwing just the baby out, and raising dirty bathwater as your child.


I still support America putting itself and its interests above anyone else's, I just openly admit I have little love for the current incarnation of the state and how it functions while doing so. If that makes sense.

Hanafuridake wrote:
Honestly you don't come across as much of an ultra-nationalist. I feel like an ultra-nationalist would blend religion and nationalism or be more bellicose. Of course, you could believe that the President should declare himself son of Jupiter and inaugurate an American Neo-Hellenist Empire, but you seem too sane really.


I tend to be a bit more benine on NSG than elsewhere, I still don't have any real desire to bring religion into government but bellicosity is something I have in spades.

You have a violent temperament?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:29 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I still support America putting itself and its interests above anyone else's, I just openly admit I have little love for the current incarnation of the state and how it functions while doing so. If that makes sense.



I tend to be a bit more benine on NSG than elsewhere, I still don't have any real desire to bring religion into government but bellicosity is something I have in spades.

You have a violent temperament?


In terms of policy outlook and how I feel problems should be solved, yes.

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:32 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:You have a violent temperament?


In terms of policy outlook and how I feel problems should be solved, yes.

You do call yourself "an angry American" in your sig...I should've guessed.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:33 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I still support America putting itself and its interests above anyone else's, I just openly admit I have little love for the current incarnation of the state and how it functions while doing so. If that makes sense.

Most people hate the current imcarnation of the state. To be a patriot isn't really to support the current state. It means identifying with and upholding the values of your country and wanting what's best for you country.
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Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:36 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I still support America putting itself and its interests above anyone else's, I just openly admit I have little love for the current incarnation of the state and how it functions while doing so. If that makes sense.

Most people hate the current imcarnation of the state. To be a patriot isn't really to support the current state. It means identifying with and upholding the values of your country and wanting what's best for you country.

The current State disagrees.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:39 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I still support America putting itself and its interests above anyone else's, I just openly admit I have little love for the current incarnation of the state and how it functions while doing so. If that makes sense.

Most people hate the current imcarnation of the state. To be a patriot isn't really to support the current state. It means identifying with and upholding the values of your country and wanting what's best for you country.

So who wins in a fight? Washington or Xeno?

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:46 am

Conserative Morality wrote:You have a stronger touch of modernity about you.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:46 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Most people hate the current imcarnation of the state. To be a patriot isn't really to support the current state. It means identifying with and upholding the values of your country and wanting what's best for you country.

So who wins in a fight? Washington or Xeno?


I mean

I build machine guns lol

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