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Jolthig wrote:

Luminesa wrote:You must have gone to a fundamentalist school, because I was taught evolution and sat next to multiple black kids during my times in private schools. I think the only thing we didn’t go into much out of that list was sex ed., but even then we talked about things like periods, pregnancy, bodily changes, etc. In my state at least, a lot of private schools are fantastic, and far superior to our abysmal public school system. Catholic schools are historically known for providing a high standard of education, as well, hence why even non-Catholics have sent their kids to private schools in many places.

Kowani is from Spain to elaborate.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Thankfully it didn't remain so, and it was liberated.

It was good while it lasted tho....in most instances anyway
Man it'd be great if Muslim rule could return to Al-Andalus.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I think we need a new poll. Perhaps greatest monarch?

Not the best, the kindest, the oldest, etc. Vote on which monarch can be considered the "Greatest". Obvious candidates include Alexander, Peter, Alfred, the Sun King, Catherine, Frederick, etc.

Hanafuridake wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It was good while it lasted tho....in most instances anyway
Man it'd be great if Muslim rule could return to Al-Andalus.

Most Spaniards are atheists or Christians, none of them will accept Shariah law.

North German Realm wrote:

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I think we need a new poll. Perhaps greatest monarch?

Not the best, the kindest, the oldest, etc. Vote on which monarch can be considered the "Greatest". Obvious candidates include Alexander, Peter, Alfred, the Sun King, Catherine, Frederick, etc.

Internationally, I'd say Queen Victoria. She was smart enough to know that "doing shit" is how you become a bad monarch, Britain pretty much became the World Power during her reign, she effectively succeeded in putting her own children and grandchildren in many Continental thrones, and the level of scientific, cultural, etc. development during her reign was magnificent.

For my own country, there's really one choice, and that's Reza Shah Pahlavi.

Luminesa wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Kowani is from Spain to elaborate.

Ah. I mean...fundie schools probably do exist in Spain? I dunno. That does kinda make a difference though, different issues in Spanish schools I guess.

Jolthig wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Sure did.

So...are you saying it was somehow justified?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

North German Realm wrote:Internationally, I'd say Queen Victoria. She was smart enough to know that "doing shit" is how you become a bad monarch, Britain pretty much became the World Power during her reign, she effectively succeeded in putting her own children and grandchildren in many Continental thrones, and the level of scientific, cultural, etc. development during her reign was magnificent.

For my own country, there's really one choice, and that's Reza Shah Pahlavi.

Alexander or Seleucus were the bests rulers of Persia and you know it.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Hanafuridake wrote:
Most Spaniards are atheists or Christians, none of them will accept Shariah law.

They don't have to.

Luminesa wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Kowani is from Spain to elaborate.

Ah. I mean...fundie schools probably do exist in Spain? I dunno. That does kinda make a difference though, different issues in Spanish schools I guess.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Thankfully it didn't remain so, and it was liberated.

It was good while it lasted tho....in most instances anyway
Man it'd be great if Muslim rule could return to Al-Andalus.

Salus Maior wrote:

Jolthig wrote:So...are you saying it was somehow justified?

I think reconquering Spain was absolutely justified. And while the Inquisition was not nearly as bad as many make it out to be, I'm not going to call a religious cleansing a good thing.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Hanafuridake wrote:
Most Spaniards are atheists or Christians, none of them will accept Shariah law.

They don't have to.

Although dhimmis were allowed to perform their religious rituals, they were obliged to do so in a manner not conspicuous to Muslims. Display of non-Muslim religious symbols, such as crosses or icons, was prohibited on buildings and on clothing (unless mandated as part of distinctive clothing). Loud prayers were forbidden, as were the ringing of church bells and the blowing of the shofar.[100] They were also not allowed to build or repair churches without Muslim consent.[71] Moreover, dhimmis were not allowed to seek converts among Muslims.[101][page needed] In the Mamluk Egypt, where non-Mamluk Muslims were not allowed to ride horses and camels, dhimmis were prohibited even from riding donkeys inside cities.[102] Sometimes, Muslim rulers issued regulations requiring dhimmis to attach distinctive signs to their houses.[103]

Jolthig wrote:So what makes the Inquisition not as bad as people make it out to be?

Salus Maior wrote:

Jolthig wrote:So...are you saying it was somehow justified?

I think reconquering Spain was absolutely justified. And while the Inquisition was not nearly as bad as many make it out to be, I'm not going to call a religious cleansing a good thing.

Salus Maior wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They don't have to.

Aside from taxes and the possible death penalty from rejecting those taxes or any other law enforced on them by Islamic laws on non-Muslims.

We've done this tap dance before, we don't buy your crap Amin.

Salus Maior wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They don't have to.

Aside from taxes and the possible death penalty from rejecting those taxes or any other law enforced on them by Islamic laws on non-Muslims.

We've done this tap dance before, we don't buy your crap Amin.

Hanafuridake wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They don't have to.

Although dhimmis were allowed to perform their religious rituals, they were obliged to do so in a manner not conspicuous to Muslims. Display of non-Muslim religious symbols, such as crosses or icons, was prohibited on buildings and on clothing (unless mandated as part of distinctive clothing). Loud prayers were forbidden, as were the ringing of church bells and the blowing of the shofar.[100] They were also not allowed to build or repair churches without Muslim consent.[71] Moreover, dhimmis were not allowed to seek converts among Muslims.[101][page needed] In the Mamluk Egypt, where non-Mamluk Muslims were not allowed to ride horses and camels, dhimmis were prohibited even from riding donkeys inside cities.[102] Sometimes, Muslim rulers issued regulations requiring dhimmis to attach distinctive signs to their houses.[103]

Jolthig wrote:Though the majority of Spain would have to be Muslim and through persuasion and democratic process could Spain become an Islamic state

Kowani wrote:

Camelone wrote:I never really got the whole reason for the whole evolution debate anyways it is the best of our scientific theories to explain the natural processes and the Bible being the revealed word of God the question should be 'what is the truth from this revelation and why did God reveal it this way?' It's not a super big deal, for me anyways plus I don't see the conflict when you frame the question in this way anyways.

If you do not mind me asking but did you attend a faith school in America and if so what type is it? I attended a public school and the only good thing that came from it was that I have close friends from there, everything I pretty much self taught myself because it was so inefficient and well slow.

Don’t ask me to understand religious fundamentalist mentality, ‘cause that’s not happening.

I did not. I attend a local public high school, since my father thought that I should get used to larger class sizes. My youngest brother, on the other hand… Mind you, my school is apparently pretty good (definitely better than my last one), and although I can’t speak to your last school, your culprits would be probably be lack of funding, CollegeBoard, and CommonCore.

Salus Maior wrote:

Jolthig wrote:So...are you saying it was somehow justified?

I think reconquering Spain was absolutely justified. And while the Inquisition was not nearly as bad as many make it out to be, I'm not going to call a religious cleansing a good thing.

Jolthig wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Aside from taxes and the possible death penalty from rejecting those taxes or any other law enforced on them by Islamic laws on non-Muslims.

We've done this tap dance before, we don't buy your crap Amin.

Jizya is literally like any other tax. You pay the state taxes and they'll protect you and provide you with services as we do here in the US.

Though the majority of Spain would have to be Muslim and through persuasion and democratic process could Spain become an Islamic state, but that won't happen at this time, and only a dreamer's dream until made into reality.

Jolthig wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
I think reconquering Spain was absolutely justified. And while the Inquisition was not nearly as bad as many make it out to be, I'm not going to call a religious cleansing a good thing.

Yeah, to degrade the quality of Spain in terms of educational standards (unless if proven wrong). Heck, the Umayyads in Spain produced some fine philosophers like Ibn Rushd who helped inspire the Renaissance.

So what makes the Inquisition not as bad as people make it out to be?

And ok, we both agree religious cleansing isn't good.

Kowani wrote:

Luminesa wrote:Ah. I mean...fundie schools probably do exist in Spain? I dunno. That does kinda make a difference though, different issues in Spanish schools I guess.

Depends on where you are. Andalucía just had chronic unemployment, poverty, bad infrastructure, drug trafficking, and other problems. So, Church has quite a bit of social impact.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It was good while it lasted tho....in most instances anyway
Man it'd be great if Muslim rule could return to Al-Andalus.

Vaya idea más mi*rda tas tenío, tío.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Hanafuridake wrote:

I'm not aware this became an Islamic history discussion. I thought we were just talikng abiut the law.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Thankfully it didn't remain so, and it was liberated.

It was good while it lasted tho....in most instances anyway
Man it'd be great if Muslim rule could return to Al-Andalus.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Though the majority of Spain would have to be Muslim and through persuasion and democratic process could Spain become an Islamic state

Says who?

North German Realm wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Jizya is literally like any other tax. You pay the state taxes and they'll protect you and provide you with services as we do here in the US.

Though the majority of Spain would have to be Muslim and through persuasion and democratic process could Spain become an Islamic state, but that won't happen at this time, and only a dreamer's dream until made into reality.

Historically speaking, it has been significantly higher than "any other tax", and has always been used as a coercive measure to force non-Muslims to convert. This really isn't a mystery or a secret.