Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Be the change you want to see in the world Hana. Launch a coup and restore the Emperor's powers.

Not through speeches and majority decisions will the great questions of the day be decided... but by iron and blood.

This Bismarck fellow seems like an unpleasant fellow.

[Kowani]

This Bismarck fellow seems like an unpleasant fellow.

He was not wrong. The American Civil Rights movement and its successors is a historical anomaly.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Hear, hear. It's vulgar and childish. Not to mention unnecessary. If you need to let loose, you can just say something harmless, like "frick".

Or you can just not lose your cool. It's unbecoming.

https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/10
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/7
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/9

[Hanafuridake]

Or you can just not lose your cool. It's unbecoming.

https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/10
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/7
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/9

I don't care about what a book which advocates sexual slavery says.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Or you can just not lose your cool. It's unbecoming.

Or, you can just know when to say certain words. Nothing really wrong with cursing, but if you do it all the time, in every situation..... you'll just sound like an idiot.

Cursing is Haraam

[Kowani]

Or you can just not lose your cool. It's unbecoming.

https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/10
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/7
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/9

The majority of us, not being Muslim, aren’t going to be swayed by Islamic Arguments.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/10
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/7
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/9

The majority of us, not being Muslim, aren’t going to be swayed by Islamic Arguments.

I wasn't making one. I was adding on to what he said.

[Hanafuridake]

Or, you can just know when to say certain words. Nothing really wrong with cursing, but if you do it all the time, in every situation..... you'll just sound like an idiot.

Cursing is Haraam

Most of us are atheists, polytheists, and Christians. We're all haraam.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Cursing is Haraam

Most of us are atheists, polytheists, and Christians. We're all haraam.

Humans themselves aren't Haraam.

[Cappuccina]

Or, you can just know when to say certain words. Nothing really wrong with cursing, but if you do it all the time, in every situation..... you'll just sound like an idiot.

Cursing is Haraam

I'm aware.

https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/10
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/7
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/9

I don't care about what a book which advocates sexual slavery says.

It doesn't. Slavery is discouraged in the Quran.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Cursing is Haraam

I'm aware.

I don't care about what a book which advocates sexual slavery says.

It doesn't. Slavery is discouraged in the Quran.

Also - to Hanafuridake - the Sunnah isn't a book. It's the actions and sayings of Prophet Muhammad SAWS. If you're referring to a book, well, that's wrong as well, because the aHaadith are of multiple books, not one. If you're referring to the Holy Qur'an, that's wrong as well, as I did not give links to the Holy Qur'an.

And yeah, sex slavery isn't in Al-Islam. That's Haraam:

"And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution..."

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It doesn't. Slavery is discouraged in the Quran.

If so, it has been gravely misunderstood by most majority Muslim nations throughout history.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

And yeah, sex slavery isn't in Al-Islam. That's Haraam:

"And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution..."

Okay. So do you take back what you said about having sex with your slave then?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It doesn't. Slavery is discouraged in the Quran.

If so, it has been gravely understood by most majority Muslim nations throughout history.

Don't you mean "misunderstood"? Regardless, you'd be wrong. Muslims throughout the post-Raashidun years weren't misunderstood in owning slaves, they were misunderstood in how to treat them. And even then mistreatment wasn't constant (albeit not fully within Shari'ah either afaik).

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And yeah, sex slavery isn't in Al-Islam. That's Haraam:

"And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution..."

Okay. So do you take back what you said about having sex with your slave then?

That's not sex slavery, so no. What would I have to take back anyway? I was explaining how Islamic slavery works. I'm not gonna take back information.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Okay. So do you take back what you said about having sex with your slave then?

That's not sex slavery, so no. What would I have to take back anyway? I was explaining how Islamic slavery works. I'm not gonna take back information.

Yes it is.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's not sex slavery, so no. What would I have to take back anyway? I was explaining how Islamic slavery works. I'm not gonna take back information.

Yes it is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_ ... efinitions:

"In the commentary on the Rome Statute,[6] Mark Klamberg states:[7][8]

Sexual slavery is a particular form of enslavement which includes limitations on one's autonomy, freedom of movement and power to decide matters relating to one's sexual activity. Thus, the crime also includes forced marriages, domestic servitude or other forced labor that ultimately involves forced sexual activity."

Al-Islam does not allow for this. And seeing as this is an Islamic topic, let's go to the IDT.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If so, it has been gravely understood by most majority Muslim nations throughout history.

Don't you mean "misunderstood"? Regardless, you'd be wrong. Muslims throughout the post-Raashidun years weren't misunderstood in owning slaves, they were misunderstood in how to treat them. And even then mistreatment wasn't constant (albeit not fully within Shari'ah either afaik).

If they owned slaves, they were doing something discouraged by the Quran were they not?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yes it is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_ ... efinitions:

"In the commentary on the Rome Statute,[6] Mark Klamberg states:[7][8]

Sexual slavery is a particular form of enslavement which includes limitations on one's autonomy, freedom of movement and power to decide matters relating to one's sexual activity. Thus, the crime also includes forced marriages, domestic servitude or other forced labor that ultimately involves forced sexual activity."

Al-Islam does not allow for this. And seeing as this is an Islamic topic, let's go to the IDT.

A slave is not able to consent to their master. There is a power imbalance at play. Just like a student can't consent to their teacher. It's statutory rape, in addition to slavery. If you have sex with your slave, you are a special kind of scum.

[North German Realm]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_ ... efinitions:

"In the commentary on the Rome Statute,[6] Mark Klamberg states:[7][8]

Sexual slavery is a particular form of enslavement which includes limitations on one's autonomy, freedom of movement and power to decide matters relating to one's sexual activity. Thus, the crime also includes forced marriages, domestic servitude or other forced labor that ultimately involves forced sexual activity."

Al-Islam does not allow for this. And seeing as this is an Islamic topic, let's go to the IDT.

A slave is not able to consent to their master. There is a power imbalance at play. Just like a student can't consent to their teacher. It's statutory rape, in addition to slavery. If you have sex with your slave, you are a special kind of scum.

Honestly, the leap from "I take away a human's right to own their own self and make them my personal property" to "I will use my private property however I wish" is... not a large one. If you can rationalize that it is possible that a person not have ownership of their own self, you can rationalize anything.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Don't you mean "misunderstood"? Regardless, you'd be wrong. Muslims throughout the post-Raashidun years weren't misunderstood in owning slaves, they were misunderstood in how to treat them. And even then mistreatment wasn't constant (albeit not fully within Shari'ah either afaik).

If they owned slaves, they were doing something discouraged by the Quran were they not?

This is also an Islamic topic, not suitable for the RWDT. Again, let's go to the IDT.

[Nea Byzantia]

Banning sex makes absolutely no sense at all. Extreme Gnosticism please exit out the backdoor, thank you.

Then there's the other extreme of Gnosticism...

Memeing aside, Shingon and Pure Land.

I don't really care about hippies appropriating Buddhism. Most of them are okay people, even if weird. I can deal with their misinformation. It's the Nazis who make me mad.

Fair, their corruption of any religion should be opposed. I'm not particularly happy about certain parts of the white nat community having a fetish for Orthodox Christianity.

I'm not usually one for desecrating remains but Savitri Devi's remains should be strapped onto a rocket and put on a trajectory towards the nearest black hole for creating esoteric Hitlerism.

Don't forget, Hitler was a vegetarian with a taste for amphetamines, and a deep fascination for Hindu and Buddhist Mysticism...So you might say he was the first hippy to appropriate Buddhism. He even appropriated one of their most ancient symbols...

And the idea of White nats having a fetish for Eastern Orthodoxy is ironic, considering the fact that with the exception of the OCA, the Orthdox Church is divided (jurisdictionally not doctrinally) along ethnic lines (ie. Greek, Russian, Serbian, Syrian, etc) not racial ones (White, Black, Asian, etc), which goes against their entire conception of the "White Race". And they do realize we have Black Saints, right?

[Soviet Tankistan]

That you should. Next time you bang your shin or fail a work assignment, cry fascism!

"Aw HEIL, I just stubbed my toe"
"Mussolinidamnit, I failed my test"
"Seig me harder Daddy"

I did nazi this coming.

I did expect the radical Islamist to start supporting slavery but not cursing.

[Bienenhalde]

Nope. Better to be courteous and considerate towards other people. Of course it should not be necessary to apologize for opposing evil or speaking up for what is right.

Banning sex isn't opposing evil or advocating what's right. Your own religion sees sex as a good thing within marriage.

With all due respect, considering your previous implication that Christianity is irredeemably homophobic, I am rather reluctant to take your advice on this matter.

[Kowani]

Banning sex isn't opposing evil or advocating what's right. Your own religion sees sex as a good thing within marriage.

With all due respect, considering your previous implication that Christianity is irredeemably homophobic, I am rather reluctant to take your advice on this matter.

I mean, she’s not entirely wrong.