Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[The New California Republic]

I've decided to take up NCR's poll suggestion, but with some slight tweaking- "who is your favourite right-wing (fiction) writer?"

Thanks!

[United Muscovite Nations]

I've decided to take up NCR's poll suggestion, but with some slight tweaking- "who is your favourite right-wing (fiction) writer?" I'm open to suggestions as to who could be included. At the moment I've got:

• Walter Scott
• Fyodor Dostoevsky
• GK Chesterton
• JRR Tolkien
• Yukio Mishima

I mean it's kind of a weird toss up. Arguably fighting bulls have better lives prior to the final act, given that most live 4-6 years before they are killed and live on huge ranches giving them plenty of space as opposed to wallowing in their own cramped shit for 1-2 years. But the death process is dragged out longer (though the final part aims to provide a clean and relatively painless death) as opposed to in factory farming where it's just done and over with. I guess it's, would you rather spend 4-6 years living decent life but then fight a brutal fight for the final minutes of your life but are then honored, or live horrendously for a short period and then be systematically slaughtered like you were nothing.

I don't think it's hypocritical for those of us living in the West to criticise Spanish bullfighting if we also condemn animal welfare standards in the beef industry. As a pescatarian and an advocate for animal welfare, I do both. I find blood sports in general abhorrent, and it seems fairly self-evident to me that inflicting suffering on another living, feeling creature purely for entertainment is profoundly immoral.

Bullfighting, not that different from hunting.

Which is also abhorrent, when done for sport.

Hunting, when done ethically (which in my view means with minimum suffering caused to the animal and the carcass put to good use afterwards), is considerably more humane than bullfighting; but killing things for entertainment is still immoral.

Anyone who thinks it should be anyone other than Dostoevsky is kidding themselves, he's a first rate author whose stories capture the human condition near-perfectly, and his reactionary morals of the story aren't forced.

[Conserative Morality]

Anyone who thinks it should be anyone other than Dostoevsky is kidding themselves, he's a first rate author whose stories capture the human condition near-perfectly, and his reactionary morals of the story aren't forced.

Sounds like you just lack an appreciation of Chesterton, tbqh.

[Novus America]

I've decided to take up NCR's poll suggestion, but with some slight tweaking- "who is your favourite right-wing (fiction) writer?" I'm open to suggestions as to who could be included. At the moment I've got:

• Walter Scott
• Fyodor Dostoevsky
• GK Chesterton
• JRR Tolkien
• Yukio Mishima

I don't think it's hypocritical for those of us living in the West to criticise Spanish bullfighting if we also condemn animal welfare standards in the beef industry. As a pescatarian and an advocate for animal welfare, I do both. I find blood sports in general abhorrent, and it seems fairly self-evident to me that inflicting suffering on another living, feeling creature purely for entertainment is profoundly immoral.

Which is also abhorrent, when done for sport.

Hunting, when done ethically (which in my view means with minimum suffering caused to the animal and the carcass put to good use afterwards), is considerably more humane than bullfighting; but killing things for entertainment is still immoral.

Anyone who thinks it should be anyone other than Dostoevsky is kidding themselves, he's a first rate author whose stories capture the human condition near-perfectly, and his reactionary morals of the story aren't forced.

I never liked Dostoevsky‘s writing.
I never found it fun to read. Nor the stories particularly interesting.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Anyone who thinks it should be anyone other than Dostoevsky is kidding themselves, he's a first rate author whose stories capture the human condition near-perfectly, and his reactionary morals of the story aren't forced.

I never liked Dostoevsky‘s writing.
I never found it fun to read. Nor the stories particularly interesting.

You have to have some kind of mental illness imo to properly appreciate it, but if you have one, his portrayal of the human condition is perfect.

[Novus America]

I never liked Dostoevsky‘s writing.
I never found it fun to read. Nor the stories particularly interesting.

You have to have some kind of mental illness imo to properly appreciate it, but if you have one, his portrayal of the human condition is perfect.

I mean sure he does a fine job depicting mentally ill characters.
But it simply does not appeal to me.
I do not believe his writing is bad. I just personally do not enjoy it.

[Hanafuridake]

My favorite literary characters from Mishima are an arsonist, a murderous child, and a right-wing extremist.

I'm not sure I want to know what that says about me.

[Novus America]

As far as writers go, what about Robert A. Heinlein?

[Bienenhalde]

As far as writers go, what about Robert A. Heinlein?

Heinlein was a liberal.

[Novus America]

As far as writers go, what about Robert A. Heinlein?

Heinlein was a liberal.

A libertarian, of sorts, mostly. Libertarians are generally put on the right.
Would you say Ayn Rand was also a liberal?

[Bienenhalde]

Heinlein was a liberal.

A libertarian, of sorts, mostly. Libertarians are generally put on the right.
Would you say Ayn Rand was also a liberal?

Yes. Libertarianism is just classical liberalism re-branded.

[Novus America]

A libertarian, of sorts, mostly. Libertarians are generally put on the right.
Would you say Ayn Rand was also a liberal?

Yes. Libertarianism is just classical liberalism re-branded.

But classical liberalism is still generally regarded as right wing.

[Duhon]

A libertarian, of sorts, mostly. Libertarians are generally put on the right.
Would you say Ayn Rand was also a liberal?

Yes. Libertarianism is just classical liberalism re-branded.

The only true conservatives are African Paleolithic cave dwellers. Change my mind.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Heinlein was a liberal.

A libertarian, of sorts, mostly. Libertarians are generally put on the right.
Would you say Ayn Rand was also a liberal?

Depends on your definition of liberalism.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yes. Libertarianism is just classical liberalism re-branded.

The only true conservatives are African Paleolithic cave dwellers. Change my mind.

Depends on your definition of conservatism.

[Napkizemlja]

Tolkien wasn't a good author imo. He often got too lost in the details, dragged out plots a bit too much, and could be quite verbose. He was average at best and is highly overrated.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Yes. Libertarianism is just classical liberalism re-branded.

But classical liberalism is still generally regarded as right wing.

Classical Liberalism was considered a left-wing ideology during the French Revolution, which means it sat to the left side of the National Assembly. This is because classical liberals did not support absolute monarchy, and leaned more towards constitutional monarchy or republicanism. Reactionaries do not forget this, and hate us as a result.

[North German Realm]

But classical liberalism is still generally regarded as right wing.

Classical Liberalism was considered a left-wing ideology during the French Revolution, which means it sat to the left side of the National Assembly. This is because classical liberals did not support absolute monarchy, and leaned more towards constitutional monarchy or republicanism. Reactionaries do not forget this, and hate us as a result.

Honestly, Classical Liberalism can only be "right-wing" if you consider the left-right axis a solely economic one. I personally don't.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Sounds like you just lack an appreciation of Chesterton, tbqh.

I love Chesterton, but I would hesitate to call him reactionary. His critique of the aristocracy and massed wealth for example.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Tolkien wasn't a good author imo. He often got too lost in the details, dragged out plots a bit too much, and could be quite verbose. He was average at best and is highly overrated.

Bad take imo. He is far from overrated, in fact I’d say he practically deserves most, if not all, the praise he gets.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Classical Liberalism was considered a left-wing ideology during the French Revolution, which means it sat to the left side of the National Assembly. This is because classical liberals did not support absolute monarchy, and leaned more towards constitutional monarchy or republicanism. Reactionaries do not forget this, and hate us as a result.

Honestly, Classical Liberalism can only be "right-wing" if you consider the left-right axis a solely economic one. I personally don't.

It depends on the type of classical liberalism, I would say. Some classical liberals can be very socially conservative.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Peace of Augsburg was a mistake tbh. Giving the princedoms "religious liberties" permanently stunted the Holy Roman Empire.

Secular absolutist gang would understand.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Classical Liberalism was considered a left-wing ideology during the French Revolution, which means it sat to the left side of the National Assembly. This is because classical liberals did not support absolute monarchy, and leaned more towards constitutional monarchy or republicanism. Reactionaries do not forget this, and hate us as a result.

Honestly, Classical Liberalism can only be "right-wing" if you consider the left-right axis a solely economic one. I personally don't.

I personally do. Otherwise left-wing conservatives and right-wing progressives would occupy a similar space on the left-right spectrum when they are opposites.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Honestly, Classical Liberalism can only be "right-wing" if you consider the left-right axis a solely economic one. I personally don't.

I personally do. Otherwise left-wing conservatives and right-wing progressives would occupy a similar space on the left-right spectrum when they are opposites.

Relatable. Missionaries trying to spread the left/right dichotomy have stopped knocking at our household's door, what with me being an economic leftist/social conservative(ish) who mainly votes for Labour and my partner being an economic rightist/social progressive who mainly votes Conservative.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I personally do. Otherwise left-wing conservatives and right-wing progressives would occupy a similar space on the left-right spectrum when they are opposites.

Relatable. Missionaries trying to spread the left/right dichotomy have stopped knocking at our household's door, what with me being an economic leftist/social conservative(ish) who mainly votes for Labour and my partner being an economic rightist/social progressive who mainly votes Conservative.

Tell your partner that according to Carl Benjamin, true intellectual classical liberalists vote UKIP.