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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
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26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:25 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think is the future for Identity Politics (IdPol)? Will IdPol eventually fall in popularity through the next 10-20 years or will it be strengthened further over the course of the future and spark social (armed?) conflicts?

"IdPol" as you call it is not likely to ever die out, and honestly I don't think it'll lead to anything more than the level of civil disturbance there was during the civil rights movement. It is the natural continuation of that after all.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:28 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think is the future for Identity Politics (IdPol)? Will IdPol eventually fall in popularity through the next 10-20 years or will it be strengthened further over the course of the future and spark social (armed?) conflicts?


Idk what the future of it is but the damage is already done.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:30 am

The South Falls wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It already exists. Chinese students barely hide the fact that they exist as espionage tools for the PRC.

The PRC can reach tendrils wherever it wants.
Benuty wrote:If secessionism, and balkanization ever regrettably happened then matters of illegality would be not the first thing to come to mind.

Didn't you hear that you had to be at least 300% freedom to start an organization in the USA?


Time to turn those tendrils into deep fried calamari.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:30 am

Hot-take: We should give the Pacific Northwest to the Republic of China. Most of the white people around their are degenerate hippies anyway. They can receive citizenship once they have assimilated to superior Confucian values.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:31 am

Novus America wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The PRC can reach tendrils wherever it wants.

Didn't you hear that you had to be at least 300% freedom to start an organization in the USA?


Time to turn those tendrils into deep fried calamari.

Nothin' more American than deep-fried EVERYTHING!!!

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:32 am

Bienenhalde wrote:Hot-take: We should give the Pacific Northwest to the Republic of China. Most of the white people around their are degenerate hippies anyway. They can receive citizenship once they have assimilated to superior Confucian values.


>tfw the ultra liberal gay Christian monarchist thinks other peoples views are degenerate

Big thonk, outside of Seattle and Portland most of the people around here are probably a lot more conservative than you.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:48 am

Jolthig wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No it's not.

Although of course, it may not be Shariah, America does nevertheless have a big enduring influence on many countries in the world. America in part, inspired the French Revolution, which that in turn, inspired modern day liberal democracy. While none of these are in accordance to the Quran or Sunnah, it has, as a non-Islamic system, been able to work and keep stability in nations for a long time. Of course, it has its flaws too, but generally, it helps to keep nations and peoples together.

You're right. I wasn't talking about Shari'ah tho, I just took "inspiration" a different way.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No it's not.

240 years of stable government isn't admirable?

1: We didn't have 240 years of stable government
2: Not the American government, nope
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History begs to differ.
Nea Byzantia wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure if America still has its Melting Pot policy - but up here in Canada, we've chucked assimilation out the window, and for some time too.

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Also, I don't think "American", "Canadian", etc have lost any meaning just because anyone who here can become said denonym. If anything it enhances it. You can come from anywhere and everywhere and be accepted into this country. You could be rich, poor, white, black, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, and still be accepted into wider society for the most part. Yes, America has serious problems but I believe that quote on the statue of liberty is a great redeeming quality of the United States. They or their children are gonna grow up in American culture so how would they not be American?

On top of that, they have citizenship So that makes them whatever denonym of a country they've immigrated to.
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Postby Painisia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:57 am

Ok, what is RWDT`s take on myself?

Here's my take:

Your Francophile Non-Aligned Martini-lover who is defending his three acres and cows from the left-wing property thiefs and tyrannical fascist feudal landlords.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:59 am

Painisia wrote:Ok, what is RWDT`s take on myself?

Here's my take:

Your Francophile Non-Aligned Martini-lover who is defending his three acres and cows from the left-wing property thiefs and tyrannical fascist feudal landlords.

I frankly don't know enough about you to have a take on you.

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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:08 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Painisia wrote:Ok, what is RWDT`s take on myself?

Here's my take:

Your Francophile Non-Aligned Martini-lover who is defending his three acres and cows from the left-wing property thiefs and tyrannical fascist feudal landlords.

I frankly don't know enough about you to have a take on you.


I mean, I've been described as an "atheist deist monk", a "lover of soulless bureaucratic conformity", a "cryptofascist cultural imperialist", and so on and so forth. As such, what's the general take here regarding me and (in particular) my ideological stances? No, seriously, I don't know how to describe myself ideologically and politically.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:PRC North American Branch, when?


It already exists. Chinese students barely hide the fact that they exist as espionage tools for the PRC.

China's pretty much already at war with us. They just aren't open about it.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:17 pm

I recommend Kaigenrei for people who like old right-wing films.
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:PRC North American Branch, when?


It already exists. Chinese students barely hide the fact that they exist as espionage tools for the PRC.

This s**t right here is how we got internment camps.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:35 pm

Nationalist Teksas wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It already exists. Chinese students barely hide the fact that they exist as espionage tools for the PRC.

This s**t right here is how we got internment camps.

I keep meaning to ask you when I see you- are you an IRL Texas nationalist, or is that just RPing?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:PRC North American Branch, when?


It already exists. Chinese students barely hide the fact that they exist as espionage tools for the PRC.


Yet we give obviously CCP-linked Chinese professorships at our research institutions and employ them at our largest tech and aerospace companies.

Woot woot.
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:57 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Nationalist Teksas wrote:This s**t right here is how we got internment camps.

I keep meaning to ask you when I see you- are you an IRL Texas nationalist, or is that just RPing?

I'm not even Texan, so no.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:59 pm

Painisia wrote:Your Francophile Non-Aligned Martini-lover who is defending his three acres and cows from the left-wing property thiefs and tyrannical fascist feudal landlords.

Aside from being francophile (filthy foreign frogs), you get a big plus from me. Always nice to see more distributists around.

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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:02 pm

Nationalist Teksas wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I keep meaning to ask you when I see you- are you an IRL Texas nationalist, or is that just RPing?

I'm not even Texan, so no.

Ah.
As an IRL Texas nationalist, I was briefly excited to see another.
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:03 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Nationalist Teksas wrote:I'm not even Texan, so no.

Ah.
As an IRL Texas nationalist, I was briefly excited to see another.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I do believe that states should be allowed to do more on their own. I draw the line with states actively working against national stability. I.E. writing their own immigration policy, printing their own money, raising their own military, etc.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:31 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Painisia wrote:Your Francophile Non-Aligned Martini-lover who is defending his three acres and cows from the left-wing property thiefs and tyrannical fascist feudal landlords.

Aside from being francophile (filthy foreign frogs), you get a big plus from me. Always nice to see more distributists around.


Traditional French culture is not so bad, but the Revolution and the establishment of the republic were serious mistakes.

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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:37 pm

Nationalist Teksas wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It already exists. Chinese students barely hide the fact that they exist as espionage tools for the PRC.

This s**t right here is how we got internment camps.


While we should not assume all Chinese students are PRC agents the fact the PRC is trying to infiltrate our education system and established PRC agencies in it cannot be denied.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius_Institute

We should absolutely ban these so called “Confucius Institutes”.
We should also give anyone convicted of espionage life in prison too.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:39 pm

Painisia wrote:Ok, what is RWDT`s take on myself?

Here's my take:

Your Francophile Non-Aligned Martini-lover who is defending his three acres and cows from the left-wing property thiefs and tyrannical fascist feudal landlords.

Who are you?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:43 pm

Old Tyrannia should be the next leader of the UK Conservative Party. Change my mind.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:02 pm

Painisia wrote:Ok, what is RWDT`s take on myself?

Here's my take:

Your Francophile Non-Aligned Martini-lover who is defending his three acres and cows from the left-wing property thiefs and tyrannical fascist feudal landlords.


You sound like a regular conservative Catholic.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:16 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Old Tyrannia should be the next leader of the UK Conservative Party. Change my mind.

I would never be so cruel as to put OT in a position like that. What did OT ever do to you?
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