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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
76
25%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
31
10%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
32
11%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
103
34%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
13
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
47
16%
 
Total votes : 302

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 10:15 am

Valrifell wrote:
North German Realm wrote:While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.


Andrew Jackson was the man who (symbolically or otherwise) shifted the image of Republicanism away from the coastal elite and towards average Americans.


... and away from any kind of amelioration for the natives.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 14, 2019 10:16 am

Hecc, I'm late to the new thread.

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Postby North German Realm » Tue May 14, 2019 10:17 am

Novus America wrote:
North German Realm wrote:While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.


While the Trail of Tears was completely fucked up and completely unnecessary, he did not cause the same absurd levels of lasting damage to most people (who were not Cherokee) that Wilson did.

True enough, I guess.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 10:17 am

Valrifell wrote:
North German Realm wrote:While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.


Andrew Jackson was the man who (symbolically or otherwise) shifted the image of Republicanism away from the coastal elite and towards average Americans.

Unfortunate that the tide of progress ended up having a murderous shithead open the gates, but que sera sera, history is unpredictable and all that jazz.

He definitely should have shot Clay and hanged Calhoun tho
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 10:18 am

Torrocca wrote:Hecc, I'm late to the new thread.

RIP the short-lived Fahran Dynasty. Gone but not forgotten. (;~;)7


The day shall come for me to usurp the throne of Righteousness, when I, random liberal, shall inaugurate RWDT XVII!

Hee hee hee hee --

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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 14, 2019 10:19 am

Duhon wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Hecc, I'm late to the new thread.

RIP the short-lived Fahran Dynasty. Gone but not forgotten. (;~;)7


The day shall come for me to usurp the throne of Righteousness, when I, random liberal, shall inaugurate RWDT XVII!

Hee hee hee hee --


Not if I seize it first and bring in a new reign of terror >:3
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue May 14, 2019 10:21 am

If I must provide my take on the worst President, I'd say that the distinction would go to Buchanan. At least to my knowledge, and do correct me if I'm mistaken, it was his incompetence that led to the War of Southern Treason that almost ripped the Union asunder.
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If people regarded other people’s cities in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own city to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself.
If people regarded other people’s families in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own family to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 14, 2019 10:21 am

Torrocca wrote:
Duhon wrote:
The day shall come for me to usurp the throne of Righteousness, when I, random liberal, shall inaugurate RWDT XVII!

Hee hee hee hee --


Not if I seize it first and bring in a new reign of terror >:3


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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue May 14, 2019 10:21 am

Ah, that new thread smell...
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Postby Camelone » Tue May 14, 2019 10:23 am

*Quote wasn’t working and I’m bad at this stuff in general*
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This is why when several officials moved the hands of Christians who refused to make the sacrifices, they still counted it and sent them on their way: it was an execution on behalf of the Emperor, in his personhood. What the individual believed didn't matter. It wasn't a matter of worship, it was a matter of exercising the will of the Emperor as his agent - obeying the law and the state.)
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Being among a society that legally professes such a belief and conducting business in such a way does not contradict professing God alone because we are in the world but should not be of the world. Plus the individual Christian should treat the Emperor as his earthly sovereign and give him respect but anything above simple human respect is a no no. It is still the act which is contrary to Christian belief, the act no matter what can not be done in a good conscience especially because it is offering a sacrifice. I will disappear shortly because of work so my responses shall be varied.
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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 10:26 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:If I must provide my take on the worst President, I'd say that the distinction would go to Buchanan. At least to my knowledge, and do correct me if I'm mistaken, it was his incompetence that led to the War of Southern Treason that almost ripped the Union asunder.


I fail to see how anyone could've prevented the Civil War were that someone wearing his shoes --

-- no, wait, maybe he should've been stark raving naked save the shoes, as in Japanese myth --

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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 14, 2019 10:30 am

Valrifell wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Not if I seize it first and bring in a new reign of terror >:3


*laughs diabolically in Jacobin*


*Laughs sinisterly in Torraism*
Anarchy's my name AND my game. RAINBOW! Revolutionary Catalonia and Revolutionary Rojava Forever! ^_^
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You probably have my idea of Communism wrong.
"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 14, 2019 10:31 am

Duhon wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Andrew Jackson was the man who (symbolically or otherwise) shifted the image of Republicanism away from the coastal elite and towards average Americans.


... and away from any kind of amelioration for the natives.


It sucks that he did it, but while I strongly disagree with the man, he was a necessary step.
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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 10:33 am

Valrifell wrote:
Duhon wrote:
... and away from any kind of amelioration for the natives.


It sucks that he did it, but while I strongly disagree with the man, he was a necessary step.


Blah and blather.

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 14, 2019 10:35 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Andrew Jackson was the man who (symbolically or otherwise) shifted the image of Republicanism away from the coastal elite and towards average Americans.

Unfortunate that the tide of progress ended up having a murderous shithead open the gates, but que sera sera, history is unpredictable and all that jazz.

He definitely should have shot Clay and hanged Calhoun tho


Rumor has it that Henry Clay still runs for president to this very day.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 14, 2019 10:36 am

Duhon wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It sucks that he did it, but while I strongly disagree with the man, he was a necessary step.


Blah and blather.


To clarify further:

The spread of Jacksonian Democracy doesn't outweigh his dictatorial behavior and the Trail of Tears, but it does help save him from the dubious honor of "worst president"
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 10:36 am

RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue May 14, 2019 10:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?


Because I like actual traditions and not esoteric Hyperborean god-men teachings.
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 10:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?


No.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 10:38 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?

I haven't hit my head hard enough off of any concrete surfaces to do that.
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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 10:38 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?


Because I like actual traditions and not esoteric Hyperborean god-men teachings.


Look, a flaming turd is still a turd, Hana...

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue May 14, 2019 10:38 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?


Because I like actual traditions and not esoteric Hyperborean god-men teachings.


If I may add, I also prefer for my political philosophy to have (at the very least) some correlation with reality.
<THE HIGH SWAGLORD>
If people regarded other people’s states in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own state to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself.
If people regarded other people’s cities in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own city to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself.
If people regarded other people’s families in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own family to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 10:40 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?

Haven't gotten around to it yet...you?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 10:40 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?


Because I like actual traditions and not esoteric Hyperborean god-men teachings.


Smh I thought you were woke Hana, we gotta crush the west somehow

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 10:40 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Because I like actual traditions and not esoteric Hyperborean god-men teachings.


If I may add, I also prefer for my political philosophy to have (at the very least) some correlation with reality.


Or at least never rise above memeworthy. For instance, Time Cube.

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