Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Galloism]

That’s not true. You can explicitly leave out the parts about bearing arms and defending the United States.

That's not a complete exception, that's still an oath of loyalty to the United States.

Or an affirmation.

[Conserative Morality]

Council of Jerusalem meant that Christians aren't required to follow Judaic Civil Law, likewise Christ opposed execution and violent punishment of sinners. If you're going to rant about how bigoted Christianity is, start with educating yourself on it.

The Council Of Jerusalem did not abolish the moral law, only ritual law, and in addition contradicts Christ's own words; furthermore, even if your interpretation of it was correct, clearly, it has not historically been adhered to by Christians.

Do you mind providing proof of this "tendency"? All I see is spiteful rhetoric.

Do you want proof of the constant violation of laws in the form of:

Sabotage of government in attempts to undermine the rule of law when in partial control of the government

Violation of law directly

OR

Vigilantism to enforce their own law

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I fully agree with you CM-san. In fact, we need to go further. Everyone who doesn't pledge loyalty to America worldwide is an enemy of the liberal state and needs to be hunted down and persecuted. Only then will we truly be free and show the world how kind, tolerant, and gentle we are. All Christians are disobeying the laws that they disagree with while all non-Christians never disobey laws they personally do not agree with.

Okay no. Stop this. Delete this nation.

[Camelone]

That’s not true. You can explicitly leave out the parts about bearing arms and defending the United States.

That's not a complete exception, that's still an oath of loyalty to the United States.

It wasn’t an oath of loyalty which was against the faith it was the act of the sacrifice to affirm this loyalty which was contrary to the faith.

[Hanafuridake]

You sound like Islamophobes when they accuse LGBT people of being traitors when we don't condemn all Muslims because of homophobic and transphobic violence in the Middle East. I don't buy what you're selling especially when you've gone on the Trans Discussion Thread in the past and insulted a poster who works on a transgender suicide hotline because she didn't agree with you about something.

The only time I remember going onto the Trans Discussion Thread was in a discussion of how gender dysphoria was a real thing and that claiming trans identity to be cool and hip was fucking stupid, and that the demedicalization of trans folk was deeply harmful to people who were, you know, actually trans, in the name of being woke.

That what you're talking about?

No, you posted truuscum memes and constructed strawmen at what Nana and others were actually saying. Which is a lot like you're doing now. I suppose you're learning from your fascist idols and trying to rewrite history in the vein of Big Brother. But it can't work when we have a search function on the site.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/fe75f89e524183e559bbf09925e5456a/tumblr_p5nhwpzJkm1x2i6i7o1_500.jpg

If you actually knew anything about trans issues you'd realize how stupid what you said about medicalization is. I don't have that luxury. I have to actually struggle to get access to medical resources, so shut the fuck up.

[Joohan]

5. It is bigoted and fearmongering to suggest that Christians are constantly trying to undermine the country. And if they win seats in the government based on a platform of Christian principle, that's completely valid and how republics work. Or is it the case with you that liberals are the only ones that are supposed to win in the Republic? In that case you don't really have much in common with the spirit of American republicanism.

If racists win seats in the government based on a platform of racialist principle, that's also 'completely valid' and how republics work. Would I not be allowed to object to that and say that those with an allegiance to their race over their nation were nothing more than fifth columnists wanting to destroy the government from the inside? If Nazis won elections here in the States, am I supposed to support them instead of objecting to them as scumbags with no respect for the nation? The spirit of American republicanism is not meekness and mildness in dealing with the opposition; it is refraining from violence or repression until it is absolutely necessary.

It does rather seem like your supposed patriotism is more loyalty to a specific ideology, rather than to the traditions and history of the nation itself. I mean, to compare Christians in the American government with a kind of extremist fifth column bent on destroying the United States seems more to come from a place of ideological allegiance, rather than American patriotism.

[Conserative Morality]

Christianity does not demand death for moral crimes and I think we've discussed how that is enough for you to know it.

I think we've discussed it enough to know that my position is that the refusal of Christians to enforce such law in modern countries is an effect of modern countries, and not of Christianity.

Christians do obey the law of this country (of course, simply saying that is a massive generalization that's going to have exceptions just as much as saying "Muslims obey the law of this country" or "black people obey the laws of this country").

When it suits them. They are more than happy to celebrate those that break the law, make apologia for them, justify them, etc, even when they aren't brave enough to bring the wrath of Uncle Sam down upon themselves.

Or an affirmation.

Which is just an oath with rules lawyering, as I said.

[Conserative Morality]

That's not a complete exception, that's still an oath of loyalty to the United States.

It wasn’t an oath of loyalty which was against the faith it was the act of the sacrifice to affirm this loyalty which was contrary to the faith.

The act of sacrifice was on behalf of the Emperor - it was through the personhood of the Emperor, not a profession of individual belief. If a Christian couldn't go through with that, nor could they be trusted to execute the orders of the Emperor as an official, nor to obey the demands of the Res Publica as a citizen (peregrini were more or less phased out at this point in time).

[Salus Maior]

1.Would Christ help the war effort if He was called by the nation to participate?

2.If racists win seats in the government based on a platform of racialist principle, that's also 'completely valid' and how republics work. Would I not be allowed to object to that and say that those with an allegiance to their race over their nation were nothing more than fifth columnists wanting to destroy the government from the inside? If Nazis won elections here in the States, am I supposed to support them instead of objecting to them as scumbags with no respect for the nation? The spirit of American republicanism is not meekness and mildness in dealing with the opposition; it is refraining from violence or repression until it is absolutely necessary.

1. No, He probably wouldn't. Unless pacifism and conscientious objection is a crime and moral wrong to you now?

2. I can't even take you seriously, CM. You're oozing with such irrational hatred to our country's majority religion (hell, our native, arguably founding religion) to such a degree you're comparing us to the fucking Nazis. This is a bloody joke, man. This is just so incredibly absurd, and if this is actually your true colors then I don't think I can hold respect for you anymore, and I did.

[Duhon]

... so "Rum, Romanism, Rebellion" this is. Very well, CM, spin your dreidel.

[Proctopeo]

Sorry that your traditionalism addiction is enough to make you ignore hate crimes, buddy.

You sound like Islamophobes when they accuse LGBT people of being traitors when we don't condemn all Muslims because of homophobic and transphobic violence in the Middle East. I don't buy what you're selling especially when you've gone on the Trans Discussion Thread in the past and insulted a poster who works on a transgender suicide hotline because she didn't agree with you about something.

oh no how dare people oppose homophobia and call others out for defending people who would, statistically, barely even blink if they were to be put to death for their sexuality

The only time I remember going onto the Trans Discussion Thread was in a discussion of how gender dysphoria was a real thing and that claiming trans identity to be cool and hip was fucking stupid, and that the demedicalization of trans folk was deeply harmful to people who were, you know, actually trans, in the name of being woke.

That what you're talking about?

No, you posted truuscum memes and constructed strawmen at what Nana and others were actually saying.

>truscum
God, I hate that word. It's bad enough as it is, being a snarl where you literally call people "true scum", but knowing who coined it makes it even worse.

Anyway, I love RWDT Fight Club.

[Conserative Morality]

No, you posted truuscum meme

You're tucute. =^^)

s and constructed strawmen at what Nana and others were actually saying. Which is a lot like you're doing now. I suppose you're learning from your fascist idols and trying to rewrite history in the vein of Big Brother. But it can't work when we have a search function on the site.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/fe75f89e524183e559bbf09925e5456a/tumblr_p5nhwpzJkm1x2i6i7o1_500.jpg

If you actually knew anything about trans issues you'd realize how stupid what you said about medicalization is. I don't have that luxury. I have to actually struggle to get access to medical resources, so shut the fuck up.

Thank you for proving my point.

As someone who is more or less linked to the American health system at the hip, I am sure I understand nothing about the struggle to get access to medical resources. I am assured of this. Of this I am assured.

[Conserative Morality]

It does rather seem like your supposed patriotism is more loyalty to a specific ideology, rather than to the traditions and history of the nation itself. I mean, to compare Christians in the American government with a kind of extremist fifth column bent on destroying the United States seems more to come from a place of ideological allegiance, rather than American patriotism.

Tell me, what is the American nation?

[Camelone]

It wasn’t an oath of loyalty which was against the faith it was the act of the sacrifice to affirm this loyalty which was contrary to the faith.

The act of sacrifice was on behalf of the Emperor - it was through the personhood of the Emperor, not a profession of individual belief. If a Christian couldn't go through with that, nor could they be trusted to execute the orders of the Emperor as an official, nor to obey the demands of the Res Publica as a citizen (peregrini were more or less phased out at this point in time).

Yeah that still doesn't fly. If Rome actually wanted the Christian community to show their loyalty instead of a sacrifice, which Christians do not offer for any reason, they should have told the Christians to pray to God for the protection and guidance of the Emperor instead of using it as a reason to crackdown on a community they did not like nor desire within their dominion. It was specifically against the faith and the Roman government could have easily accommodated them but decided not to.

[Salus Maior]

1.I think we've discussed it enough to know that my position is that the refusal of Christians to enforce such law in modern countries is an effect of modern countries, and not of Christianity.

2.When it suits them. They are more than happy to celebrate those that break the law, make apologia for them, justify them, etc, even when they aren't brave enough to bring the wrath of Uncle Sam down upon themselves.

1. Yes I'm aware of your horseshit view of history.

2. And you could say that of every group I mentioned. "Black people obey the law, when it suits them...".

[Joohan]

It does rather seem like your supposed patriotism is more loyalty to a specific ideology, rather than to the traditions and history of the nation itself. I mean, to compare Christians in the American government with a kind of extremist fifth column bent on destroying the United States seems more to come from a place of ideological allegiance, rather than American patriotism.

Tell me, what is the American nation?

As a whole or at current?

[Torrocca]

You sound like Islamophobes when they accuse LGBT people of being traitors when we don't condemn all Muslims because of homophobic and transphobic violence in the Middle East. I don't buy what you're selling especially when you've gone on the Trans Discussion Thread in the past and insulted a poster who works on a transgender suicide hotline because she didn't agree with you about something.

oh no how dare people oppose homophobia and call others out for defending people who would, statistically, barely even blink if they were to be put to death for their sexuality

TIL'd opposing homophobia = hating on every single person of a specific religious belief

Wow, I've been saved from homophobia! Thanks RWDT!

[Conserative Morality]

1. No, He probably wouldn't. Unless pacifism and conscientious objection is a crime and moral wrong to you now?

Conscientious objection is still service to the nation in support of the war effort.

2. I can't even take you seriously, CM. You're oozing with such irrational hatred to our country's majority religion (hell, our native, arguably founding religion) to such a degree you're comparing us to the fucking Nazis. This is a bloody joke, man. This is just so incredibly absurd, and if this is actually your true colors then I don't think I can hold respect for you anymore, and I did.

I'm not trying to compare Christians to Nazis. I'm trying to compare moral principles. My point was not that Christians are as bad as Nazis or racialists, but that to pretend that running on a platform of moral precepts diametrically opposed to mine and what I think this country stands for is just something to shrug at and accept because "that's how republics work" is absolutely absurd on its face if compared with any other ideology.

[Beggnig]

Not content with winding the clock back to 1900s Russia, now we're resurrecting Anti-Christian sentiment from the Second Century!

Plot twist: Rome becomes Christian.

[Napkizemlja]

CM if we get you going on Ilhan Omar you could be Greg Gutfield's replacement.

[Conserative Morality]

Yeah that still doesn't fly. If Rome actually wanted the Christian community to show their loyalty instead of a sacrifice, which Christians do not offer for any reason, they should have told the Christians to pray to God for the protection and guidance of the Emperor instead of using it as a reason to crackdown on a community they did not like nor desire within their dominion. It was specifically against the faith and the Roman government could have easily accommodated them but decided not to.

I doubt Decian considered Christianity even for a moment when issuing the edict. Christianity was a minor mystery cult at that point in time.

[Proctopeo]

oh no how dare people oppose homophobia and call others out for defending people who would, statistically, barely even blink if they were to be put to death for their sexuality

TIL'd opposing homophobia = hating on every single person of a specific religious belief

Wow, I've been saved from homophobia! Thanks RWDT!

First step to combat homophobia: disavow anyone who's statistically likely to be a homophobe
Really I'm just copping a tactic I've seen from the left: assume anyone who's Christian is a homophobe from the outset. I just changed it from the religion backed by Jesus to the religion backed by Mohammed.

[Salus Maior]

1. No, He probably wouldn't. Unless pacifism and conscientious objection is a crime and moral wrong to you now?

Conscientious objection is still service to the nation in support of the war effort.

2. I can't even take you seriously, CM. You're oozing with such irrational hatred to our country's majority religion (hell, our native, arguably founding religion) to such a degree you're comparing us to the fucking Nazis. This is a bloody joke, man. This is just so incredibly absurd, and if this is actually your true colors then I don't think I can hold respect for you anymore, and I did.

I'm not trying to compare Christians to Nazis. I'm trying to compare moral principles. My point was not that Christians are as bad as Nazis or racialists, but that to pretend that running on a platform of moral precepts diametrically opposed to mine and what I think this country stands for is just something to shrug at and accept because "that's how republics work" is absolutely absurd on its face if compared with any other ideology.

So you admit it is about you. And your own personal brand of liberal politics.

[Conserative Morality]

1. Yes I'm aware of your horseshit view of history.

Calling it horseshit won't bring back the countless innocents who were murdered at the Church's exhortation.

2. And you could say that of every group I mentioned. "Black people obey the law, when it suits them...".

I would regard anyone who regards their race above their nation the same way, tbqh.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You sound like Islamophobes when they accuse LGBT people of being traitors when we don't condemn all Muslims because of homophobic and transphobic violence in the Middle East. I don't buy what you're selling especially when you've gone on the Trans Discussion Thread in the past and insulted a poster who works on a transgender suicide hotline because she didn't agree with you about something.

oh no how dare people oppose homophobia and call others out for defending people who would, statistically, barely even blink if they were to be put to death for their sexuality

No, you posted truuscum memes and constructed strawmen at what Nana and others were actually saying.

>truscum
God, I hate that word. It's bad enough as it is, being a snarl where you literally call people "true scum", but knowing who coined it makes it even worse.

Anyway, I love RWDT Fight Club.

Who coined it?