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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Fri May 24, 2019 1:05 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I hope the next president sends arms to Hamas instead, just to mix it up.


Oh dear...I really hope you are not serious about that.

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Postby Cappuccina » Fri May 24, 2019 1:05 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Yeah but if Russia were to help Greece the balance could be tipped in our favor...

Good way to kicked out of NATO, and then have NATO turned against you.

Support for NATO was kinda iffy when I was there in 2017....so idk.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri May 24, 2019 1:12 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Epicurustan wrote:Do it reverse (ie USA being an Israeli colony) and then I'd agree that it's not fiction anymore.

The day people like you stop masking your antisemitism with the thin veil of muh "Anti-Zionism" and just embrace that antisemitism for what it is, I will get my first hangover.

I take it you support the entirely legitimate state of Israel? Or do you oppose Israel?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri May 24, 2019 1:14 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The day people like you stop masking your antisemitism with the thin veil of muh "Anti-Zionism" and just embrace that antisemitism for what it is, I will get my first hangover.

I take it you support the entirely legitimate state of Israel? Or do you oppose Israel?

He supports Israel, for some odd reason.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 24, 2019 1:16 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Novus America wrote:That meme is so over done.
If anything we are a PRC colony.
They are the ones who control our economic and trade policy.

I question the logic of allowing China to own American companies. Especially when many of those companies are owned by the Chinese government.


Exactly. We should absolutely not allow the PRC communists to own any businesses in the US.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri May 24, 2019 1:17 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I take it you support the entirely legitimate state of Israel? Or do you oppose Israel?

He supports Israel, for some odd reason.

Gotta love it when Palestinians get gunned down at the border, but you know, accusing them of war crimes would be kind of antisemitic, so if you don't like Israel.... then you're the REAL NAZI!
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri May 24, 2019 1:18 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Good way to kicked out of NATO, and then have NATO turned against you.

Support for NATO was kinda iffy when I was there in 2017....so idk.

How's support for a war with NATO?
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Postby Novus America » Fri May 24, 2019 1:21 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
There are more Turks in Constantinople than Greeks in Greece.
Not going to happen.

Yeah but if Russia were to help Greece the balance could be tipped in our favor...


The same Russia selling Turkey S-400s?!

You do realize Erdogan and Putin are acting like BFFs right?

Turkey is both a NATO member and a friend of Russia.
So you are pretty screwed.

Also that does not fix the demographic issue.
How are do you plan to deal with the 10s of millions of Turkish civilians?
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Nationalist Teksas
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Fri May 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Novus America wrote:quote

The same Russia selling Turkey S-400s?!
It's a solid business strategy.
You do realize Erdogan and Putin are acting like BFFs right?
But some Greek guy on /pol/ said that Putin said "Retake Constantinople, Bozhe vult."
Turkey is both a NATO member and a friend of Russia.
Perfectly balanced, as all things thould be.
How are do you plan to deal with the 10s of millions of Turkish civilians?
*snap*
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri May 24, 2019 1:24 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:He supports Israel, for some odd reason.

Gotta love it when Palestinians get gunned down at the border, but you know, accusing them of war crimes would be kind of antisemitic, so if you don't like Israel.... then you're the REAL NAZI!

Hate to be the Le Radical Centrist here, but I think both sides suck. Though, I believe the Palestinians are the lesser of two evils purely for the fact that Israel was created by the British carving up the Middle East rather than thinking logically about the natives.
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Nationalist Teksas
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Fri May 24, 2019 1:26 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Gotta love it when Palestinians get gunned down at the border, but you know, accusing them of war crimes would be kind of antisemitic, so if you don't like Israel.... then you're the REAL NAZI!

Hate to be the Le Radical Centrist here, but I think both sides suck. Though, I believe the Palestinians are the lesser of two evils purely for the fact that Israel was created by the British carving up the Middle East rather than thinking logically about the natives.

Except that the Jews have been in Judea for more 4000 years.
August 21, 2019: To the surprise of absolutely nobody, the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic has declared war on Ukraine. General Secretary Zyuganov has been reported as joking to guests in his dacha "As long as we give the Poles and Romanians Lwow and Bessarabia, they'll leave us alone."

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Postby Novus America » Fri May 24, 2019 1:26 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I question the logic of allowing China to own American companies. Especially when many of those companies are owned by the Chinese government.


Exactly. We should absolutely not allow the PRC communists to own any businesses in the US.


Indeed. Nor allow them to do any business (including selling products here).
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Fri May 24, 2019 1:28 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Nah, let's arm the Taliban again.

Back to the classics.

Or, America could arm the Neo-Byzantines...


What Neo Byzantines? You an a few guys on the internet?
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Nationalist Teksas
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Fri May 24, 2019 1:30 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Or, America could arm the Neo-Byzantines...


What Neo Byzantines? You an a few guys on the internet?

They're probably a bunch of Americans from /pol/.
August 21, 2019: To the surprise of absolutely nobody, the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic has declared war on Ukraine. General Secretary Zyuganov has been reported as joking to guests in his dacha "As long as we give the Poles and Romanians Lwow and Bessarabia, they'll leave us alone."

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri May 24, 2019 1:32 pm

Nationalist Teksas wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Hate to be the Le Radical Centrist here, but I think both sides suck. Though, I believe the Palestinians are the lesser of two evils purely for the fact that Israel was created by the British carving up the Middle East rather than thinking logically about the natives.

Except that the Jews have been in Judea for more 4000 years.

Tell me, would you describe yourself as an "American Patriot"?

If so: Imagine if the Pueblos, after nearly being genocided by the Mexicans, decided now was the time to retake their homeland which is currently being occupied by the Americans, who are being occupied by the British. Rather than using Diplomacy and peace, they rather get the UK to divide up the land between American controlled land and Pueblo controlled land, and thus genocide on both sides ensue as both sides get angrier and angrier as this "Foreigner" is occupying their land.

But the Pueblos lived in the 4-States area for thousands of years before the Americans arrived, so that makes it just right?
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Nationalist Teksas
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Fri May 24, 2019 1:48 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nationalist Teksas wrote:Except that the Jews have been in Judea for more 4000 years.

Tell me, would you describe yourself as an "American Patriot"?

If so: Imagine if the Pueblos, after nearly being genocided by the Mexicans, decided now was the time to retake their homeland which is currently being occupied by the Americans, who are being occupied by the British. Rather than using Diplomacy and peace, they rather get the UK to divide up the land between American controlled land and Pueblo controlled land, and thus genocide on both sides ensue as both sides get angrier and angrier as this "Foreigner" is occupying their land.

But the Pueblos lived in the 4-States area for thousands of years before the Americans arrived, so that makes it just right?

They wouldn't be wrong, but I'd still want to stop them because their interests would obviously collide with America's interests.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri May 24, 2019 1:52 pm

Controversial opinion: "My ancestors lived there once" isn't a justification of any sort, even absent the issue of ethnic cleansing of those already residing there. You are not your ancestors. Blood is not a right to anything.
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Postby Novus America » Fri May 24, 2019 2:04 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nationalist Teksas wrote:Except that the Jews have been in Judea for more 4000 years.

Tell me, would you describe yourself as an "American Patriot"?

If so: Imagine if the Pueblos, after nearly being genocided by the Mexicans, decided now was the time to retake their homeland which is currently being occupied by the Americans, who are being occupied by the British. Rather than using Diplomacy and peace, they rather get the UK to divide up the land between American controlled land and Pueblo controlled land, and thus genocide on both sides ensue as both sides get angrier and angrier as this "Foreigner" is occupying their land.

But the Pueblos lived in the 4-States area for thousands of years before the Americans arrived, so that makes it just right?


The Pueblo still have an autonomous government in that area.

But your argument only works in the 1940s or earlier.
The vast majority of Jews living in Israel were born there and have no where else to go.

You can argue Israel was an error in the first place, but now it has been created you cannot just unmake it.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Duhon » Fri May 24, 2019 2:19 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Novus America wrote:
That meme is so over done.
If anything we are a PRC colony.
They are the ones who control our economic and trade policy.

I question the logic of allowing China to own American companies. Especially when many of those companies are owned by the Chinese government.


This is just anti-Japan hysteria all over again.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 24, 2019 2:27 pm

Duhon wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I question the logic of allowing China to own American companies. Especially when many of those companies are owned by the Chinese government.


This is just anti-Japan hysteria all over again.

I don't care about race. I care whether our economy gets influenced by a corrupt communist government.

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Postby Novus America » Fri May 24, 2019 2:30 pm

Duhon wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I question the logic of allowing China to own American companies. Especially when many of those companies are owned by the Chinese government.


This is just anti-Japan hysteria all over again.


Japan in the 80s was not a hostile imperialist dictatorship.
This is very different.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Fri May 24, 2019 2:33 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Duhon wrote:
This is just anti-Japan hysteria all over again.

I don't care about race. I care whether our economy gets influenced by a corrupt communist government.


I was thinking of the Japanese economic boom of the 1980s, when among things Japanese companies acquired several American brands, and US economists, policymakers, and the media were atwitter about the apparently nascent emergence of Japan as the top economic power of the world.

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Postby Novus America » Fri May 24, 2019 2:35 pm

Duhon wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I don't care about race. I care whether our economy gets influenced by a corrupt communist government.


I was thinking of the Japanese economic boom of the 1980s, when among things Japanese companies acquired several American brands, and US economists, policymakers, and the media were atwitter about the apparently nascent emergence of Japan as the top economic power of the world.


Which is again completely different.

Besides the fact Japan has a much smaller population, Japan is not a hostile nuclear armed dictatorship on a revanchist path.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Fri May 24, 2019 2:46 pm

For a given degree of hostility. I mean, Trump might be stupid enough to go through a war with China, but Xi isn't.

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Nationalist Teksas
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Fri May 24, 2019 2:53 pm

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I heard you were talking about China, so I decided to post their real flag.
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