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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:27 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's tickling you?

I’m not ticklish?

Then what's the "heh" business, eh?
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:29 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’m not ticklish?

Then what's the "heh" business, eh?

Your naïveté.

I’m tempted to call you little girl, but I don’t know how old you are…
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:30 am

RWDT goes from 0 to get a room real fucking fast.
We shoot .223's
We'll take your life
We out with the gang
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:32 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:RWDT goes from 0 to get a room real fucking fast.

Like you and Fahran?
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:51 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Then what's the "heh" business, eh?

Your naïveté.

I’m tempted to call you little girl, but I don’t know how old you are…

I'm 18. Older than you iirc, but not old enough to get crushed by the real world. Sure, I'm naive as fuck, but I d'know "Look at this kid, she wants to avoid the second civil war, what a schmuck" seems a bit too far to the opposite extreme, don't you think?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:52 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Your naïveté.

I’m tempted to call you little girl, but I don’t know how old you are…

I'm 18. Older than you iirc, but not old enough to get crushed by the real world. Sure, I'm naive as fuck, but I d'know "Look at this kid, she wants to avoid the second civil war, what a schmuck" seems a bit too far to the opposite extreme, don't you think?

:lol2: Not what I’m talking about. It’s a microcosm.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:57 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:RWDT goes from 0 to get a room real fucking fast.

Err, what's this in reference to?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:01 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:RWDT goes from 0 to get a room real fucking fast.

Err, what's this in reference to?

…I do hope we’re not the next RWDT ship.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:09 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I'm 18. Older than you iirc, but not old enough to get crushed by the real world. Sure, I'm naive as fuck, but I d'know "Look at this kid, she wants to avoid the second civil war, what a schmuck" seems a bit too far to the opposite extreme, don't you think?

:lol2: Not what I’m talking about. It’s a microcosm.

A microcosm of my naivete? That's fair. I think a lot of it's giving people the benefit of the doubt and idealism, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't naive as fuck.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:10 am

Kowani wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:RWDT goes from 0 to get a room real fucking fast.

Like you and Fahran?


Yeah, let's pair the NatSyn with the Jew, what could possibly go wrong?
We shoot .223's
We'll take your life
We out with the gang
You know we gon' slide

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:11 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Err, what's this in reference to?

…I do hope we’re not the next RWDT ship.

:shock: Oh god. No offense, but oh God.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:12 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Kowani wrote:Like you and Fahran?


Yeah, let's pair the NatSyn with the Jew, what could possibly go wrong?


It's not unprecedented.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:12 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Kowani wrote:Like you and Fahran?


Yeah, let's pair the NatSyn with the Jew, what could possibly go wrong?

Nothing, because National Syndicalism is not Nazism...

...right?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:14 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote: :lol2: Not what I’m talking about. It’s a microcosm.

A microcosm of my naivete? That's fair. I think a lot of it's giving people the benefit of the doubt and idealism, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't naive as fuck.

Idealism only leads to broken dreams.

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Kowani wrote:Like you and Fahran?


Yeah, let's pair the NatSyn with the Jew, what could possibly go wrong?

Thou dost protest too much. :p

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:…I do hope we’re not the next RWDT ship.

:shock: Oh god. No offense, but oh God.

:lol2: Indeed.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:15 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Yeah, let's pair the NatSyn with the Jew, what could possibly go wrong?


It's not unprecedented.

Even better.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 am

Kowani wrote:Idealism only leads to broken dreams.

Whereas cynicism by definition leads to nothing good.
:lol2: Indeed.

Heh. Imagine, me saying "I love you" and you replying "love is of no inherent value." :p
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:27 am

Drunk banana wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Whereas cynicism by definition leads to nothing good.

Heh. Imagine, me saying "I love you" and you replying "love is of no inherent value." :p


CUM SADWISH

CUM SADWISH
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:27 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Idealism only leads to broken dreams.

Whereas cynicism by definition leads to nothing good.

The optimist believes this is the best of all possible worlds, the pessimist fears it is true.
:lol2: Indeed.

Heh. Imagine, me saying "I love you" and you replying "love is of no inherent value." :p

:lol2: Although it contributes greatly to quality of life, so it does have some value.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:31 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm okay with ethnostates in their specific context; Poland should be for Poles, France for French, Japan for Japanese, etc.


Those are nationalities and not ethnicities though.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:36 am

Kowani wrote:The optimist believes this is the best of all possible worlds, the pessimist fears it is true.

2deep4me
:lol2: Although it contributes greatly to quality of life, so it does have some value.

So does liberty!
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Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:41 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:The optimist believes this is the best of all possible worlds, the pessimist fears it is true.

2deep4me
Stolen from TvTropes.
:lol2: Although it contributes greatly to quality of life, so it does have some value.

So does liberty!

Nah.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:50 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm okay with ethnostates in their specific context; Poland should be for Poles, France for French, Japan for Japanese, etc.


Those are nationalities and not ethnicities though.


Come again?
We shoot .223's
We'll take your life
We out with the gang
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:57 am

Kowani wrote:Stolen from TvTropes.

Understandable.
Nah.

Alright, but don't come crying when big brother takes away your internet privileges.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 21 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:58 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Those are nationalities and not ethnicities though.


Come again?


I don't know too much about Poland, but France and Japan both have different ethnic groups native to them. An ethno-state implies one ethnic group living there.
Nation name in proper language: 花降岳|पुष्पद्वीप
Theravada Buddhist
李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:07 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Come again?


I don't know too much about Poland, but France and Japan both have different ethnic groups native to them. An ethno-state implies one ethnic group living there.


an ethno-state implies the nation in question is for the ethnic group in question, the existence of minorities doesn't disqualify it as such. Particularly in Japan's case, given the likely descent from Koreans or Proto-Koreans to be more precise, the existence of a Korean minority barely even counts as such although I'm definitely aware of the cultural issues therein.
We shoot .223's
We'll take your life
We out with the gang
You know we gon' slide

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