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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:40 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Look inside yourself Xeno and you will realize it's necessary, the communists must be fought.

Yeah, but not like this...


They've gotten to you, haven't they? You've spent too much time in LWDT.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:41 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Look inside yourself Xeno and you will realize it's necessary, the communists must be fought.

Yeah, but not like this...


I have the destinct feeling that some hardened bolsheviks might force us into a fight even if we do not seek it.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:41 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Don't do it Liber, it's the right wing equivalent of Antifa!

Whatever it takes, down with the commies!!

Replace "commie" with "fash" and that's antifa. And everything that comes with it.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:42 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Look inside yourself Xeno and you will realize it's necessary, the communists must be fought.

Yeah, but not like this...

Yes like this. Commies won't spare those they disagree with, not even liberals.

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:44 pm

Speaking of new flags... what do y'all think of my new flag?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:45 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of new flags... what do y'all think of my new flag?


A fair weather meme. From a different era than the hard future and fate we might be sailing soon into.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:46 pm

Nakena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Yeah, but not like this...


I have the destinct feeling that some hardened bolsheviks might force us into a fight even if we do not seek it.

Indeed. We shall not go into those gulags voluntarily, not without one hell of a fight.

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:47 pm

Nakena wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of new flags... what do y'all think of my new flag?


A fair weather meme. From a different era than the hard future and fate we might be sailing soon into.


Doesn't this whole "modern-day Freikorps" thing seem a tad... melodramatic, perhaps? Maybe overwrought, or something along those lines? No offense intended, of course. It just seems a bit LARP-y is all, to me at least.
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Yeah, but not like this...


They've gotten to you, haven't they? You've spent too much time in LWDT.

No, I simply realize that opposing something by any means necessary leads to bad stuff.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:50 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Doesn't this whole "modern-day Freikorps" thing seem a tad... melodramatic, perhaps? Maybe overwrought, or something along those lines? No offense intended, of course. It just seems a bit LARP-y is all, to me at least.

It's just a statement of common anti-communism. I don't think most of the anti-Bolshevik Brigade are actually hardbitten war veterans planning to put down communists.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:51 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Doesn't this whole "modern-day Freikorps" thing seem a tad... melodramatic, perhaps? Maybe overwrought, or something along those lines? No offense intended, of course. It just seems a bit LARP-y is all, to me at least.

It's just a statement of common anti-communism. I don't think most of the anti-Bolshevik Brigade is actually a hardbitten war veteran planning to put down communists.


Oh. To be completely honest, I thought that most of you were seriously planning on forming an anti-Bolshevik paramilitary organization, as silly as it may seem.
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:52 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Doesn't this whole "modern-day Freikorps" thing seem a tad... melodramatic, perhaps? Maybe overwrought, or something along those lines? No offense intended, of course. It just seems a bit LARP-y is all, to me at least.

It's just a statement of common anti-communism. I don't think most of the anti-Bolshevik Brigade are actually hardbitten war veterans planning to put down communists.


If there's one thing that unites disparate right-wing groups ranging from libertarians to monarchists to traditionalists Catholics to white nationalists, it's anti-communism.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:53 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Yeah, but not like this...

Yes like this. Commies won't spare those they disagree with, not even liberals.

And if we don't spare them, how are we any better?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:54 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:It's just a statement of common anti-communism. I don't think most of the anti-Bolshevik Brigade is actually a hardbitten war veteran planning to put down communists.


Oh. To be completely honest, I thought that most of you were seriously planning on forming an anti-Bolshevik paramilitary organization, as silly as it may seem.


Don't get people on ideas here that nobody had before. ^^
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:54 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:It's just a statement of common anti-communism. I don't think most of the anti-Bolshevik Brigade is actually a hardbitten war veteran planning to put down communists.


Oh. To be completely honest, I thought that most of you were seriously planning on forming an anti-Bolshevik paramilitary organization, as silly as it may seem.

Forming a relatively non-ideological anti-communist militia is actually a good idea. We aren't planning on currently forming one though.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:00 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Yes like this. Commies won't spare those they disagree with, not even liberals.

And if we don't spare them, how are we any better?

We'll spare non-combatants who disagree with us. Communists won't.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:05 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:And if we don't spare them, how are we any better?

We'll spare non-combatants who disagree with us. Communists won't.

You speak as if we're in the midst of literal total war.
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Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:12 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:We'll spare non-combatants who disagree with us. Communists won't.

You speak as if we're in the midst of literal total war.

We are not, and that is true, but if one ever were to come (I hope one doesn't) that is the type of mindset we'd have to have.

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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:18 pm

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Cappuccina wrote:Taiwan is a legitimate province of the PRC. :)

Oh, so you're a tankie.

Actually, I'm quite not.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:20 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:And if we don't spare them, how are we any better?

We'll spare non-combatants who disagree with us. Communists won't.


Let's be honest, if we're at such a decayed state where paramilitaries on both sides are common, I feel like a good chunk of the violence is just going to be wanton murder using the war as an excuse.

Civil wars are great opportunities to:

-Settle personal grievances
-Expand your criminal network
-Just do generally fucked up shit (imagine how many serial killers will be running loose)
-Profit off of other's misery
-Fulfill ideological bloodlust fantasies


There will be looting, rape, murder, kidnapping, trafficking, and slavery running rampant.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:23 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:We'll spare non-combatants who disagree with us. Communists won't.


Let's be honest, if we're at such a decayed state where paramilitaries on both sides are common, I feel like a good chunk of the violence is just going to be wanton murder using the war as an excuse.

Civil wars are great opportunities to:

-Settle personal grievances
-Expand your criminal network
-Just do generally fucked up shit (imagine how many serial killers will be running loose)
-Profit off of other's misery
-Fulfill ideological bloodlust fantasies


There will be looting, rape, murder, kidnapping, trafficking, and slavery running rampant.

Which is exactly why we need to avoid a civil war.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:04 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Let's be honest, if we're at such a decayed state where paramilitaries on both sides are common, I feel like a good chunk of the violence is just going to be wanton murder using the war as an excuse.

Civil wars are great opportunities to:

-Settle personal grievances
-Expand your criminal network
-Just do generally fucked up shit (imagine how many serial killers will be running loose)
-Profit off of other's misery
-Fulfill ideological bloodlust fantasies


There will be looting, rape, murder, kidnapping, trafficking, and slavery running rampant.

Which is exactly why we need to avoid a civil war.

Heh.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:14 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Which is exactly why we need to avoid a civil war.

Heh.

What's tickling you?
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:17 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Heh.

What's tickling you?

I’m not ticklish?
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:24 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:We'll spare non-combatants who disagree with us. Communists won't.


Let's be honest, if we're at such a decayed state where paramilitaries on both sides are common, I feel like a good chunk of the violence is just going to be wanton murder using the war as an excuse.

Civil wars are great opportunities to:

-Settle personal grievances
-Expand your criminal network
-Just do generally fucked up shit (imagine how many serial killers will be running loose)
-Profit off of other's misery
-Fulfill ideological bloodlust fantasies


There will be looting, rape, murder, kidnapping, trafficking, and slavery running rampant.

Yes.

BTW a lot of ancient wars were probably caused by incels wanting sex and starving people wanting food, not ideologies.
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