Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Genivaria]

It's really weird how ethnic separtist like to use nations like Brazil, Austria-Hungary, or the Ottoman Empire as examples of how 'multiculturalism' fails when all they prove is that social inequality built along ethnic lines is a recipe for ethnic tensions.

Not only did I only use one of those examples, but I would contend that socially inequality doesn't have anything to do with. Blacks and other races have been, on paper, equal to whites since ~1950 in Brazil, 1968 in America, and 1994 in South Africa. Many modern black people do not even trace their history back to oppression, having come into these countries after apartheid was lifted. And yet, still, after all these years, social inequality and institutional racism is blamed for their failure to assimilate.

Not only did I only use one of those examples

I wasn't talking about just you, I've heard this silly argument used a hundred times.

but I would contend that socially inequality doesn't have anything to do with

And boy would you be fucking wrong on that count boyo.
If you want me to just use the nation you brought up (Brazil) then allow me to point out to you that Brazil was built under a racial caste system where natives were second class citizens and Africans were simply slaves.

[EastKekistan]

That does nothing to change their status as an illegitimate rebellion.

What makes them illegitimate?

China had elections in 1947-1948. Communists weren't elected.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That does nothing to change their status as an illegitimate rebellion.

What makes them illegitimate?

They are a regime that has just declared themselves a new government of the people, but in reality, they are a corrupt oligarchy that rigs elections to maintain a facade of democracy.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

8% of South Africa is white, which is divided into the Boers and Brits. Any divvying up of South Africa will favour Black ethno-nationalists, not Whites, who will assuredly lose land as they're forced out of Black-only South Africa.

Who said it was to be divided up along proportional, rather than historical lines? Despite the German population being completely expelled from East Prussia, I still believe it should be given back to Germany and Germans resettled there.

In the same manner, I believe that historical Boer Republics should be reestablished and that the black populations who were forcibly brought in after apartheid should be returned to their native countries.

Please tell me you’re not serious.

On paper, everyone is equal, of course. But a police officer is more likely to shoot a white person he believes is threatening him than a black person, because he knows that if he kills the black person his career could end.
For now, this is an almost intangible thing, but it will become more apparent as the demographics start shifting and white people become a minority in America. Once again, I would point to Brazil and South Africa.

Shooting oneself in the foot tends to be a bad idea.

Care to elaborate?

Gonna need citations for all of that.

That'll take a while, so I hope you don't make me regret it.
Modern-day:
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/gallup- ... mmigration
The title says it all; 79% oppose increased immigration.

Now, data becomes increasingly hard to find the further back you go, but here's what I could find in a few minutes:
http://justthesocialfacts.blogspot.com/ ... -1965.html
In case you don't think that's credible, he lists his sources on the right, including the Pew Research Center and American National Election Studies.
In 1947, 72% did not want increased immigration.
In 1964, only 6% wanted increased immigration. Just one year later, the Hart-Celler Act was passed, which opened up immigration from just a handful of European countries to all Asia and Africa. Only 24% of Americans were in favor of the Act, by the way, and yet 74% of Democrat congressmen and 85% of Republican congressmen voted for it. (This from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... ct_of_1965 .) This tells me that our democracy does not represent the interests of the people it is supposed to serve.

[Cappuccina]

What makes them illegitimate?

China had elections in 1947-1948. Communists weren't elected.

That's irrelevant.

What makes them illegitimate?

They are a regime that has just declared themselves a new government of the people, but in reality, they are a corrupt oligarchy that rigs elections to maintain a facade of democracy.

I'm aware of this, that still doesn't negate the fact that the PRC is defacto in control of China.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

China had elections in 1947-1948. Communists weren't elected.

That's irrelevant.

They are a regime that has just declared themselves a new government of the people, but in reality, they are a corrupt oligarchy that rigs elections to maintain a facade of democracy.

I'm aware of this, that still doesn't negate the fact that the PRC is defacto in control of China.

Just because it has de facto control does not mean we should recognize them as the legitimate government. The true government is in Taiwan.

[Cappuccina]

That's irrelevant.


I'm aware of this, that still doesn't negate the fact that the PRC is defacto in control of China.

Just because it has de facto control does not mean we should recognize them as the legitimate government. The true government is in Taiwan.

Taiwan is a legitimate province of the PRC.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

And boy would you be fucking wrong on that count boyo.
If you want me to just use the nation you brought up (Brazil) then allow me to point out to you that Brazil was built under a racial caste system where natives were second class citizens and Africans were simply slaves.

Please, slavery was ended there in 1888, not that long after it was ended in America. I don't want to keep repeating myself, but the fact that racial violence and hatred persists even after all this time is a testament to the inability of the racial groups in question to acclimatize to the host culture.

[Nakena]

Just because it has de facto control does not mean we should recognize them as the legitimate government. The true government is in Taiwan.

Taiwan is a legitimate province of the PRC.

So the appeal of the glorious authoritarianism of the People Republic of China is bigger than the fact that they put literally a million of uygur muslims in concentation camp?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Just because it has de facto control does not mean we should recognize them as the legitimate government. The true government is in Taiwan.

Taiwan is a legitimate province of the PRC.

By what mandate?

[Jolthig]

Just because it has de facto control does not mean we should recognize them as the legitimate government. The true government is in Taiwan.

Taiwan is a legitimate province of the PRC.

No.

[Totally Not OEP]

Balkanize China and make American Legation cities.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Just because it has de facto control does not mean we should recognize them as the legitimate government. The true government is in Taiwan.

Taiwan is a legitimate province of the PRC.

Oh, so you're a tankie.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Taiwan is a legitimate province of the PRC.

By what mandate?

Tankies create their own mandate. Their guns and extreme violence are their mandate, and they can just eliminate those who disagree.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We need a multinational great crusade against the PRC tbh

[Nakena]

Something that has come recently to my attention with everyone adopting the "Und Doch" flag fad is that theres three different versions of it that are currently being in use. Which one is your favorite one?

I picked the ornate version which is, apparently, so far the most rare.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

By what mandate?

Tankies create their own mandate. Their guns and extreme violence are their mandate, and they can just eliminate those who disagree.

But they haven't got the guns and extreme violence necessary to eliminate Taiwan. If they did, they would have. So where's the mandate?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Something that has come recently to my attention with everyone adopting the "Und Doch" flag fad is that theres three different versions of it that are currently being in use. Which one is your favorite one?

I picked the ornate version which is, apparently, so far the most rare.

The original, which is the one me and Mr. Lang are using.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Tankies create their own mandate. Their guns and extreme violence are their mandate, and they can just eliminate those who disagree.

But they haven't got the guns and extreme violence necessary to eliminate Taiwan. If they did, they would have. So where's the mandate?

Their word, as that's all they have.

[Nakena]

But they haven't got the guns and extreme violence necessary to eliminate Taiwan. If they did, they would have. So where's the mandate?

Their word, as that's all they have.

So you finally joined us too.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Their word, as that's all they have.

So you finally joined us too.

Yes, for the long haul sister!

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

So you finally joined us too.

Yes, for the long haul sister!

Don't do it Liber, it's the right wing equivalent of Antifa!

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, for the long haul sister!

Don't do it Liber, it's the right wing equivalent of Antifa!

Look inside yourself Xeno and you will realize it's necessary, the communists must be fought.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Yes, for the long haul sister!

Don't do it Liber, it's the right wing equivalent of Antifa!

Whatever it takes, down with the commies!!

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Don't do it Liber, it's the right wing equivalent of Antifa!

Look inside yourself Xeno and you will realize it's necessary, the communists must be fought.

Yeah, but not like this...