Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Novus America]

Race =/= culture.

That doesn't have much to do with what I stated other than that I used the term multiculturalism, which, as far as I know, is the most appropriate term for what I was criticizing. I haven't ever heard the term multi-racialism used, but if it more accurately describes what I was criticizing, then sure. Otherwise, I have no idea what you're getting at.

I would like to formally say you're deluded. I'm a brown Muslim dating a white non-Muslim. Ffs I'm not a criminal, rapist, thief, fundamentalist, radical, bigot, or Islamist. The problem here is values, not race. I didn't have a choice being in a western secular democracy, I was born in Canada. I'm not a freeloading immigrant. I work for a living, I support myself. I don't live off of the government teat. So don't try to justify removing us all from your homogenous homeland.

I'd like to formally say that you're deluded, if you think that a personal anecdote constitutes evidence. I'm well aware that races are not monoliths, but the hard facts speak for themselves, and the exception is not the rule. Please never try to use an anecdote as evidence again.

People of different races can share the same culture.
A multi racial society does not need to (and obviously should not) practice post modern multiculturalism crap.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Race =/= culture.

That doesn't have much to do with what I stated other than that I used the term multiculturalism, which, as far as I know, is the most appropriate term for what I was criticizing. I haven't ever heard the term multi-racialism used, but if it more accurately describes what I was criticizing, then sure. Otherwise, I have no idea what you're getting at.

I would like to formally say you're deluded. I'm a brown Muslim dating a white non-Muslim. Ffs I'm not a criminal, rapist, thief, fundamentalist, radical, bigot, or Islamist. The problem here is values, not race. I didn't have a choice being in a western secular democracy, I was born in Canada. I'm not a freeloading immigrant. I work for a living, I support myself. I don't live off of the government teat. So don't try to justify removing us all from your homogenous homeland.

I'd like to formally say that you're deluded, if you think that a personal anecdote constitutes evidence. I'm well aware that races are not monoliths, but the hard facts speak for themselves, and the exception is not the rule. Please never try to use an anecdote as evidence again.

If I may, what conclusion is one to draw from said data, assuming for the sake of this argument that said data isn't a load of dingo kidneys?

Exactly! What matters is instilling a singular civic and cultural identity upon the citizenry so that they may be as brothers and sisters under the benevolent guidance of the state. And such like that; ethnic origin is irrelevant in this case, for what matters (as Novus and Cesnica said) is culture, is values. Provided all (or the vast majority, at least) citizens share a set of values things will be fine.



I don't find liberal democracy to be appealing either... tbh, no state currently in existence meets my ideals and now I feel kind of sad the more I think about it.

I find the current form of liberal democracy lacking in many ways, but do not find totalitarian oppression by a sociopath like Xi appealing either.

Oh, I don't like the PRC... I thought that was evident from "no state currently in existence meets my ideals"...

[Novus America]

That doesn't have much to do with what I stated other than that I used the term multiculturalism, which, as far as I know, is the most appropriate term for what I was criticizing. I haven't ever heard the term multi-racialism used, but if it more accurately describes what I was criticizing, then sure. Otherwise, I have no idea what you're getting at.

I'd like to formally say that you're deluded, if you think that a personal anecdote constitutes evidence. I'm well aware that races are not monoliths, but the hard facts speak for themselves, and the exception is not the rule. Please never try to use an anecdote as evidence again.

If I may, what conclusion is one to draw from said data, assuming for the sake of this argument that said data isn't a load of dingo kidneys?

I find the current form of liberal democracy lacking in many ways, but do not find totalitarian oppression by a sociopath like Xi appealing either.

Oh, I don't like the PRC... I thought that was evident from "no state currently in existence meets my ideals"...

I know, that was directed at another posters comment.

[Cappuccina]

Perhaps. Though it'd say "authoritarianism".

I think we can agree on that term then.

One can admire things about their enemies.

We're not going to agree here, I don't find liberal democracies to be appealing.

Because their innert tendency towards relativism?

Yes. Democracy tends towards moral lapsing and pandering to the human lower-self for votes.

[Bienenhalde]

It's autistic to want one's nation to be whole?

Taiwan historically isn't an integral part of China.

The fact that the Japanese stole it and colonized it does not negate Taiwan's being Chinese.

[Novus America]

I think we can agree on that term then.



Because their innert tendency towards relativism?

Yes. Democracy tends towards moral lapsing and pandering to the human lower-self for votes.

But what makes the state atheist hyper consumerism of the PRC moral?

[Thermodolia]

Taiwan historically isn't an integral part of China.

The fact that the Japanese stole it and colonized it does not negate Taiwan's being Chinese.

The people that used to inhabit Taiwan where not ethnically Han Chinese. So no Taiwan really isn’t Chinese

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

How many immigrants do you know on a personal level may I ask?

First of all, my post doesn't have much to do with immigration, though I'll give you that I am against it. It has to do with the people already in my country who might not be immigrants, but who are part of the problem even so. They might not be actually contributing to it, but their presence only adds to the racially-fueled violence which escalates every day.

Personally, I do not know anyone who has, in his lifetime, immigrated to my country. I do know the descendants of immigrants, and yes, I do know one or two that I can name off of the top of my head who is a well-developed, producing citizen. (One of whom actually shares similar political views, a Latino.) But, once more, the exception is not the rule. An anecdote is not evidence. And just as I will not try to form an argument that all Latinos are nationalists who want a Hispanic ethnostate, you should not conclude that all the different races of America are perfect law-abiding citizens who do not harbor any resentment whatsoever for each other based on your own personal anecdotes. Instead, you should, as I have, consider the actual evidence as has been compiled by numerous persons rather than one individual.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This is freaking mad, dude.

This might be a tad late, but may you explain what you mean by "mad"?

Crazy in a good way.

[Kowani]

How many immigrants do you know on a personal level may I ask?

First of all, my post doesn't have much to do with immigration, though I'll give you that I am against it. It has to do with the people already in my country who might not be immigrants, but who are part of the problem even so. They might not be actually contributing to it, but their presence only adds to the racially-fueled violence which escalates every day.

Personally, I do not know anyone who has, in his lifetime, immigrated to my country. I do know the descendants of immigrants, and yes, I do know one or two that I can name off of the top of my head who is a well-developed, producing citizen. (One of whom actually shares similar political views, a Latino.) But, once more, the exception is not the rule. An anecdote is not evidence. And just as I will not try to form an argument that all Latinos are nationalists who want a Hispanic ethnostate, you should not conclude that all the different races of America are perfect law-abiding citizens who do not harbor any resentment whatsoever for each other based on your own personal anecdotes. Instead, you should, as I have, consider the actual evidence as has been compiled by numerous persons rather than one individual.

Perhaps you should present this evidence.

[Bienenhalde]

The fact that the Japanese stole it and colonized it does not negate Taiwan's being Chinese.

The people that used to inhabit Taiwan where not ethnically Han Chinese. So no Taiwan really isn’t Chinese

Chinese =/= Han

[Greater Cesnica]

How many immigrants do you know on a personal level may I ask?

First of all, my post doesn't have much to do with immigration, though I'll give you that I am against it. It has to do with the people already in my country who might not be immigrants, but who are part of the problem even so. They might not be actually contributing to it, but their presence only adds to the racially-fueled violence which escalates every day.

Personally, I do not know anyone who has, in his lifetime, immigrated to my country. I do know the descendants of immigrants, and yes, I do know one or two that I can name off of the top of my head who is a well-developed, producing citizen. (One of whom actually shares similar political views, a Latino.) But, once more, the exception is not the rule. An anecdote is not evidence. And just as I will not try to form an argument that all Latinos are nationalists who want a Hispanic ethnostate, you should not conclude that all the different races of America are perfect law-abiding citizens who do not harbor any resentment whatsoever for each other based on your own personal anecdotes. Instead, you should, as I have, consider the actual evidence as has been compiled by numerous persons rather than one individual.

Of course people of different races do not all mix in harmony, but that's a subset of the majority.

[Nakena]

Face it: multi-culturalism doesn't work (you claim to be anti-Communist from your flag und doch you embrace a tenant of Cultural Marxism?). I do not hate any race, but I believe that all races would be better off on their own rather than forced to live together.

Alt-right/identitarianism isnt exactly popular here afaik.

[Bienenhalde]

The One China policy is autism that no one but the PRC gives a shit about.

The Kuomintang would disagree with you on that.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

People of different races can share the same culture.
A multi racial society does not need to (and obviously should not) practice post modern multiculturalism crap.

This is true, but I find it exceedingly rare. The very reason why we have so much racially-motivated violence in so many countries (America, Sweden, Germany, South Africa, just to name a few) is that large groups of immigrants refuse to adopt the culture of the host nation. This is an observable pattern throughout history, and leads me to believe that everyone would be better off if they had their own racially and culturally unique nation.

If I may, what conclusion is one to draw from said data, assuming for the sake of this argument that said data isn't a load of dingo kidneys?

That coexistence between two races only leads to violence and hatred, and therefore races should be allowed to have their own, homogenous states.

Also, thanks for dismissing my numerous and reputable sources as dingo kidneys. Hadn't heard that one before.

[Kowani]

People of different races can share the same culture.
A multi racial society does not need to (and obviously should not) practice post modern multiculturalism crap.

This is true, but I find it exceedingly rare. The very reason why we have so much racially-motivated violence in so many countries (America, Sweden, Germany, South Africa, just to name a few) is that large groups of immigrants refuse to adopt the culture of the host nation. This is an observable pattern throughout history, and leads me to believe that everyone would be better off if they had their own racially and culturally unique nation.

If I may, what conclusion is one to draw from said data, assuming for the sake of this argument that said data isn't a load of dingo kidneys?

That coexistence between two races only leads to violence and hatred, and therefore races should be allowed to have their own, homogenous states.

Also, thanks for dismissing my numerous and reputable sources as dingo kidneys. Hadn't heard that one before.

“Numerous and reputable”
You’ve yet to cite any!

[EastKekistan]

Taiwan historically isn't an integral part of China.

The fact that the Japanese stole it and colonized it does not negate Taiwan's being Chinese.

Is Austria not allowed to exist because it is ethnic German but isn't in Germany? Is the existence of Austria detrimental to ethnic Germans?

Taiwan is a second China. Singapore is a third China. Hong Kong is a fourth China. Macao is a fifth China. Having five Chinas does not harm the Chinese.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

People of different races can share the same culture.
A multi racial society does not need to (and obviously should not) practice post modern multiculturalism crap.

This is true, but I find it exceedingly rare. The very reason why we have so much racially-motivated violence in so many countries (America, Sweden, Germany, South Africa, just to name a few) is that large groups of immigrants refuse to adopt the culture of the host nation. This is an observable pattern throughout history, and leads me to believe that everyone would be better off if they had their own racially and culturally unique nation.

If I may, what conclusion is one to draw from said data, assuming for the sake of this argument that said data isn't a load of dingo kidneys?

That coexistence between two races only leads to violence and hatred, and therefore races should be allowed to have their own, homogenous states.

Also, thanks for dismissing my numerous and reputable sources as dingo kidneys. Hadn't heard that one before.

I beg your pardon? I wasn't dismissing your sources; I don't often click links to websites that I'm not familiar with (computer security reasons and all that), and as such I didn't get the chance to properly analyze said sources. Is that understandable?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

This is true, but I find it exceedingly rare. The very reason why we have so much racially-motivated violence in so many countries (America, Sweden, Germany, South Africa, just to name a few) is that large groups of immigrants refuse to adopt the culture of the host nation. This is an observable pattern throughout history, and leads me to believe that everyone would be better off if they had their own racially and culturally unique nation.

That coexistence between two races only leads to violence and hatred, and therefore races should be allowed to have their own, homogenous states.

Also, thanks for dismissing my numerous and reputable sources as dingo kidneys. Hadn't heard that one before.

“Numerous and reputable”
You’ve yet to cite any!

Actually, he did:

Indeed. We need to put aside past prejudices and embrace a collective identity as Americans. Unfortunately, that seems like wishful thinking these days.

How well has a multi-racial identity worked for places like Brazil and South Africa?
I'll give you a hint: not well.

Face it: multi-culturalism doesn't work (you claim to be anti-Communist from your flag und doch you embrace a tenant of Cultural Marxism?). I do not hate any race, but I believe that all races would be better off on their own rather than forced to live together.

But I didn't click on any of them because of the aforementioned reason. It's good to be cautious, no?

[Bienenhalde]

The fact that the Japanese stole it and colonized it does not negate Taiwan's being Chinese.

Is Austria not allowed to exist because it is ethnic German but isn't in Germany? Is the existence of Austria detrimental to ethnic Germans?

Taiwan is a second China. Singapore is a third China. Hong Kong is a fourth China. Macao is a fifth China. Having five Chinas does not harm the Chinese.

The oppressive government of the PRC certainly harms the Chinese.

[Genivaria]

Race =/= culture.

I would like to formally say you're deluded. I'm a brown Muslim dating a white non-Muslim. Ffs I'm not a criminal, rapist, thief, fundamentalist, radical, bigot, or Islamist. The problem here is values, not race. I didn't have a choice being in a western secular democracy, I was born in Canada. I'm not a freeloading immigrant. I work for a living, I support myself. I don't live off of the government teat. So don't try to justify removing us all from your homogenous homeland.

Exactly! What matters is instilling a singular civic and cultural identity upon the citizenry so that they may be as brothers and sisters under the benevolent guidance of the state. And such like that; ethnic origin is irrelevant in this case, for what matters (as Novus and Cesnica said) is culture, is values. Provided all (or the vast majority, at least) citizens share a set of values things will be fine.

Perhaps. Though it'd say "authoritarianism".


One can admire things about their enemies.

We're not going to agree here, I don't find liberal democracies to be appealing.

I don't find liberal democracy to be appealing either... tbh, no state currently in existence meets my ideals and now I feel kind of sad the more I think about it.

Meritocratic, tier-based stratocracy?
https://stellarisinvicta.fandom.com/wik ... rran_Union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkpv5QMxQkw

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Of course people of different races do not all mix in harmony, but that's a subset of the majority.

Well, I don't completely agree with you on that one, but setting that aside: What are we to do about it? Simply tolerate the mass amounts of racial violence in the hopes of gradually replacing racial identities with national ones?
My solution seems more desirable.

Alt-right/identitarianism isnt exactly popular here afaik.

I imagine it would be tiring to shift my political views in accordance with whatever was popular at the time. I prefer espousing principles anyways.

[Thermodolia]

The people that used to inhabit Taiwan where not ethnically Han Chinese. So no Taiwan really isn’t Chinese

Chinese =/= Han

Except that’s what the CPC and the KMT both consider to be Chinese. If you aren’t Han you aren’t Chinese. The KMT purged a lot of native peoples from Taiwan after they took back control of the island

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Of course people of different races do not all mix in harmony, but that's a subset of the majority.

Well, I don't completely agree with you on that one, but setting that aside: What are we to do about it? Simply tolerate the mass amounts of racial violence in the hopes of gradually replacing racial identities with national ones?
My solution seems more desirable.

Alt-right/identitarianism isnt exactly popular here afaik.

I imagine it would be tiring to shift my political views in accordance with whatever was popular at the time. I prefer espousing principles anyways.

What's your solution?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Exactly! What matters is instilling a singular civic and cultural identity upon the citizenry so that they may be as brothers and sisters under the benevolent guidance of the state. And such like that; ethnic origin is irrelevant in this case, for what matters (as Novus and Cesnica said) is culture, is values. Provided all (or the vast majority, at least) citizens share a set of values things will be fine.



I don't find liberal democracy to be appealing either... tbh, no state currently in existence meets my ideals and now I feel kind of sad the more I think about it.

Meritocratic, tier-based stratocracy?
https://stellarisinvicta.fandom.com/wik ... rran_Union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkpv5QMxQkw

Ah, another NSGer familiar with the Templin Institute. I see that you are a being of culture and good taste.