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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:09 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There is one legitimate Chinese government and one large faction of communist rebels.

I'd much rather have ROC than PRC.

Imo, the One China Policy is correct and that a unified Chinese nation should be pursued. The PRC is de facto the legitimate Chinese state, with the ROC being a rump rebel province the should at the first opportunity be absorbed by Beijing.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:12 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I'd much rather have ROC than PRC.

Imo, the One China Policy is correct and that a unified Chinese nation should be pursued. The PRC is de facto the legitimate Chinese state, with the ROC being a rump rebel province the should at the first opportunity be absorbed by Beijing.


False.
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Cappuccina
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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Imo, the One China Policy is correct and that a unified Chinese nation should be pursued. The PRC is de facto the legitimate Chinese state, with the ROC being a rump rebel province the should at the first opportunity be absorbed by Beijing.


False.

How?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:20 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I'd much rather have ROC than PRC.

Imo, the One China Policy is correct and that a unified Chinese nation should be pursued. The PRC is de facto the legitimate Chinese state, with the ROC being a rump rebel province the should at the first opportunity be absorbed by Beijing.

The One-China Policy is incorrect though. Does Taiwan exist? Yes or no? The answer is yes, therefore, the one china policy is wrong.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:20 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Minorities have fought and died for this country. Ever heard of the Harlem Hellfighters or the Navajo Code Talkers?

Detroit sucks because it's a one-party Democrat city that's had it's manufacturing base utterly obliterated.


Yes. The problems with Detroit are neoliberal “free trade”, idiotic Democratic identity politics and the defense industry cuts.
Plenty of African Americans have contributed greatly to the US.

Thus who actually have committed violent crimes absolutely should be locked away (not because of race but because violent crime is bad) but collective punishment is bad.

Indeed. We need to put aside past prejudices and embrace a collective identity as Americans. Unfortunately, that seems like wishful thinking these days.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:21 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I'd much rather have ROC than PRC.

Imo, the One China Policy is correct and that a unified Chinese nation should be pursued. The PRC is de facto the legitimate Chinese state, with the ROC being a rump rebel province the should at the first opportunity be absorbed by Beijing.

I embrace One China in the sense that I believe all of China should be the ROC.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:21 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
False.

How?


Because the Beijing government is clearly the rebellious one.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:22 pm

The One China policy is autism that no one but the PRC gives a shit about.
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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:How?


Because the Beijing government is clearly the rebellious one.

They've held the Chinese mainland since the 1940s, what are you talking about?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:How?


Because the Beijing government is clearly the rebellious one.

So when are you accepting Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:24 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because the Beijing government is clearly the rebellious one.

They've held the Chinese mainland since the 1940s, what are you talking about?


That does nothing to change their status as an illegitimate rebellion.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:24 pm

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because the Beijing government is clearly the rebellious one.

So when are you accepting Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister?


Can't be worse than Trump tbh
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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:24 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The One China policy is autism that no one but the PRC gives a shit about.

It's autistic to want one's nation to be whole? :eyebrow:
Muslim, Female, Trans, Not white..... oppression points x4!!!!
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:25 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:So when are you accepting Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister?


Can't be worse than Trump tbh

Boris Johnson is way better than Trump.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:25 pm

Ironically, the Communists are more nationalist than the Nationalists are now.
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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:25 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:They've held the Chinese mainland since the 1940s, what are you talking about?


That does nothing to change their status as an illegitimate rebellion.

What makes them illegitimate?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:25 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The One China policy is autism that no one but the PRC gives a shit about.

It's autistic to want one's nation to be whole? :eyebrow:

Whole under the PRC?

Yes.
Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:25 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I'd much rather have ROC than PRC.

Imo, the One China Policy is correct and that a unified Chinese nation should be pursued. The PRC is de facto the legitimate Chinese state, with the ROC being a rump rebel province the should at the first opportunity be absorbed by Beijing.


If you claim to be a Muslim why are you shilling for a regime that throws Muslims in concentration camps?
The ROC is the one with popular legitimacy and rule of law.
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:26 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Can't be worse than Trump tbh

Boris Johnson is way better than Trump.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:So when are you accepting Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister?


Can't be worse than Trump tbh

That’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:26 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The One China policy is autism that no one but the PRC gives a shit about.

It's autistic to want one's nation to be whole? :eyebrow:

Taiwan historically isn't an integral part of China.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:26 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That does nothing to change their status as an illegitimate rebellion.

What makes them illegitimate?


Because it's not the legitimate government of the Republic of China as established way back when, duh.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:26 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The One China policy is autism that no one but the PRC gives a shit about.

It's autistic to want one's nation to be whole? :eyebrow:


The people of Taiwan absolutely do not want to be under the PRC jackboot.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:26 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The One China policy is autism that no one but the PRC gives a shit about.

This.
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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:34 pm

Novus America wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Imo, the One China Policy is correct and that a unified Chinese nation should be pursued. The PRC is de facto the legitimate Chinese state, with the ROC being a rump rebel province the should at the first opportunity be absorbed by Beijing.


If you claim to be a Muslim why are you shilling for a regime that throws Muslims in concentration camps?
The ROC is the one with popular legitimacy and rule of law.

:?:
I disagree with their persecution of Muslims (naturally), however I admire the PRC in general.

I don't really care about "popular legitimacy" to the same extent as most people in the West do.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:34 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:Are you going to fix Detroit and make America white? Nope?

The enemies of America aren't China or Russia (or Israel). Instead they are destroying America from within.

Minorities have fought and died for this country. Ever heard of the Harlem Hellfighters or the Navajo Code Talkers?

Detroit sucks because it's a one-party Democrat city that's had it's manufacturing base utterly obliterated.

The Tuskegee Airmen is another example
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