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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:45 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:We need to fight a war against China and re-open it for colonial exploitation.


I disagree on the latter to a certain extent but we should absolutely fight the reds.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:We need to fight a war against China and re-open it for colonial exploitation.


I disagree on the latter to a certain extent but we should absolutely fight the reds.


A unified China does not serve our interests.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:49 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I disagree on the latter to a certain extent but we should absolutely fight the reds.


A unified China does not serve our interests.


A unified China under the KMT would to a degree.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
A unified China does not serve our interests.


A unified China under the KMT would to a degree.


The example of the Sino-Soviet shows otherwise.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
A unified China does not serve our interests.


A unified China under the KMT would to a degree.


KMT China aka ROC is the only real China.

The PRC is bolshevik rebels and must be opposed.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:04 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:We need to fight a war against China and re-open it for colonial exploitation.

How many times do I have to tell you? Exploiting other countries is not good.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:06 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
A unified China under the KMT would to a degree.


The example of the Sino-Soviet shows otherwise.


Sure, but those weren't good KMT nationalist bois

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
A unified China under the KMT would to a degree.


KMT China aka ROC is the only real China.

The PRC is bolshevik rebels and must be opposed.


It's a travesty we ever recognized the PRC and gave them a UNSC seat tbh
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:07 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:We need to fight a war against China and re-open it for colonial exploitation.

How many times do I have to tell you? Exploiting other countries is not good.


Don't be so mean. Let him enjoy his 19th century pipedreams.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

It's a travesty we ever recognized the PRC and gave them a UNSC seat tbh


It is.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:It's a travesty we ever recognized the PRC and gave them a UNSC seat tbh

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the One China Policy is outdated, serves no purpose and only stifles international relations. There are two Chinas now, the One China Policy doesn't change that.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:12 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:It's a travesty we ever recognized the PRC and gave them a UNSC seat tbh

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the One China Policy is outdated, serves no purpose and only stifles international relations. There are two Chinas now, the One China Policy doesn't change that.


There is one legitimate Chinese government and one large faction of communist rebels.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:13 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:We need to fight a war against China and re-open it for colonial exploitation.

Given recent events the Hong Kongers look like they'd be willing to become a British colony again.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The example of the Sino-Soviet shows otherwise.


Sure, but those weren't good KMT nationalist bois

Nakena wrote:
KMT China aka ROC is the only real China.

The PRC is bolshevik rebels and must be opposed.


It's a travesty we ever recognized the PRC and gave them a UNSC seat tbh

Cheap labor and a massive market speaks.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Sure, but those weren't good KMT nationalist bois


China's immense size means it's always going to chafe being the junior partner in any relationship, even one as intense as that displayed by the Sino-Soviets during their early years.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:27 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, the One China Policy is outdated, serves no purpose and only stifles international relations. There are two Chinas now, the One China Policy doesn't change that.


There is one legitimate Chinese government and one large faction of communist rebels.

Still living the delusion, I see.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:28 pm

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There is one legitimate Chinese government and one large faction of communist rebels.

Still living the delusion, I see.


It's a simple fact really.
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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:29 pm

The best we can do is resist Chinese influence and hope the demographics bomb hits them before it hits us.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:29 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:Still living the delusion, I see.


It's a simple fact really.

A fact not born out by reality.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:30 pm

Speaking of commies we really should have done more to help the Cossacks.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:32 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Speaking of commies we really should have done more to help the Cossacks.


Yes, especially those betrayed in 1945.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:32 pm

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There is one legitimate Chinese government and one large faction of communist rebels.

Still living the delusion, I see.


Of course you think having principles is delusional. Don't expect us to agree.

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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:32 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Speaking of commies we really should have done more to help the Cossacks.

You should have done more to help the Whites you mean, the Cossacks were only a part of the anti-Bolshevik forces.

Imagine an American expeditionary force led by a man with balls, willing to get his hands dirty to stop the greater threat. Graves was not that man.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:34 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:We need to fight a war against China and re-open it for colonial exploitation.


Yi Hangno wrote:When Chinese civilization encounters a barbarian people, those barbarians are transformed by Chinese ways into a civilized people. Barbarians look up to China and are delighted to receive its civilizing influence. This is the way things are in the natural order of things. This is the way human beings ought to feel. China is like the roots of a plant supplying nourishment for the branches and leaves. It is like the hands and feet that protect the belly and chest of the human body. This should never change.


:^)
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:34 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Kowani wrote:Still living the delusion, I see.


Of course you think having principles is delusional. Don't expect us to agree.

When your principles don’t match up with how the world works, it’s time to let go of those principles.

Kinda like how Austrian economics needs to die off like the cancer it is.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:35 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:Yes, especially those betrayed in 1945.

Nah, fuck those cossacks. Krasnov was a German stooge in 1918, and he was a German stooge in 1942. The Russian Liberation Army though, their handover to the Soviets was a tragedy.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:35 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:We need to fight a war against China and re-open it for colonial exploitation.


Yi Hangno wrote:When Chinese civilization encounters a barbarian people, those barbarians are transformed by Chinese ways into a civilized people. Barbarians look up to China and are delighted to receive its civilizing influence. This is the way things are in the natural order of things. This is the way human beings ought to feel. China is like the roots of a plant supplying nourishment for the branches and leaves. It is like the hands and feet that protect the belly and chest of the human body. This should never change.


:^)


Fun fact: San Yat-Sen was freaking the fuck out in the early 1900s because he realized China had lost the demographic edge
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