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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby ElCKuT » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:52 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:I don't need to. I don't support it.

As I've said along with countless others: Islamic slavery has no place in a modern world.

Show me daleel please. In the IDT tho.
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Postby Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:56 pm

ElCKuT wrote:
Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:Is Batmanism a better religion or should I just remain an atheist?

Become a Muslim :)

Would I have to get rid of my dog? Ik a lot of Muslims don't like dogs.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:59 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
The term Shinto is more of an academic meme than a real independent religion. Kuroda Toshio's history is outdated and flawed, but he is right to point out that the notion of an essential Shinto religion transmitted through Japanese history, independent of Buddhism or Confucianism, is a myth. There is no full Shintoism.


Really? Huh, I wasn't aware. I learned something new today! May you please elaborate further, if you don't mind?


Anything in particular?
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Postby ElCKuT » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:59 pm

Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:Become a Muslim :)

Would I have to get rid of my dog? Ik a lot of Muslims don't like dogs.

I will answer this here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=462608&p=35961840#p35961840
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:01 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Really? Huh, I wasn't aware. I learned something new today! May you please elaborate further, if you don't mind?


Anything in particular?


Everything you know about the topic, and maybe some book recommendations.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:04 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Highever wrote:It's more a combination of Shintoism and buddhism and not really full shintoism.


The term Shinto is more of an academic meme than a real independent religion. Kuroda Toshio's history is outdated and flawed, but he is right to point out that the notion of an essential Shinto religion transmitted through Japanese history, independent of Buddhism or Confucianism, is a myth. There is no full Shintoism.

Really? Damn.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:16 pm

Kowani wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
The term Shinto is more of an academic meme than a real independent religion. Kuroda Toshio's history is outdated and flawed, but he is right to point out that the notion of an essential Shinto religion transmitted through Japanese history, independent of Buddhism or Confucianism, is a myth. There is no full Shintoism.

Really? Damn.


There have always been shrine cults and other religious practices centered around kami in Japan, but these were never believed to be a distinct religion until around the Meiji period when orders were issued to separate Indo-Buddhist deities from native kami. Even still, you can find syncretic deities in both shrines and temples. Inari (one of the most popular Japanese gods) is worshiped as both a kami and a deva of the tenth heaven.
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Postby Duvniask » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:02 am

Jolthig wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:


After 1938 the total backlog of Jews wanting to get out of Germany was 39,000 and one shipful does not make a pattern. They waited far too late to get out when they still could.

As for the Soviets, we never should've given them aid at all.

Yeah, the Soviets definitely weren't any better than Nazi Germany. After all, they too were a power hungry nation with an aggressive foreign policy. Yet, given the strategic circumstances, the Allies needed them in an effort to weaken Nazi Germany.

All great powers tend to be power hungry. Such is their self-interest.

While you didn't strictly hand out any moral judgment, I must stress that the Soviet Union was not engaged in acts of genocide on the scale, or with the intensity of Nazi Germany. Murderous? To be sure. But in terms of death toll, many of the excess deaths under Stalin occurred due to gross negligence and were distantly in line with an ideologically-misattributed vision of modernization. To attribute them all to him is rather murky. Nazi Germany bears the responsibility for starting World War 2, at least in Europe, and waged war on the East out of racial imperialism and colonial ambitions (i.e. Generalplan Ost), with deliberate plans to starve tens of millions, and, barring those they could forcibly assimilate, having tens of millions more shot, enslaved or deported. Part of this already happened during wartime, and under Nazi Occupation, but had they had their way, Slavic peoples across Eastern Europe would have been wiped out entirely. Their rationale was pretty much evil for its own sake.

Then, we should've taken action against the Soviets once Germany and Japan were annihilated.

Yes, let's kill even more people. The 20,000,000-27,000,000 Soviets that already died in the war wasn't enough. :roll:


Jolthig wrote:War is pretty mehish. Especially when the world just got over World War II, but yeah, action of some sort should've been taken against them, considering they took over several countries in Eastern Europe and destroying the democracies there, and replacing them with oppressive dictatorships bound to the will of the Man of Steel.

This is just as much reason to declare war on the United States, considering they took over several countries in the rest of the World and destroying the democracies there, and replacing them with oppresive dictatorships bound to the will of Unlce Sam.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:04 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Kowani wrote:Really? Damn.


There have always been shrine cults and other religious practices centered around kami in Japan, but these were never believed to be a distinct religion until around the Meiji period when orders were issued to separate Indo-Buddhist deities from native kami. Even still, you can find syncretic deities in both shrines and temples. Inari (one of the most popular Japanese gods) is worshiped as both a kami and a deva of the tenth heaven.

I see. Thanks!
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Postby Nakena » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:20 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Bonenburg wrote:Paganism is that religion that worships nature right?


Technically the term merely refers to non-Christian (or in a broader sense, non-Abrahamic) faiths. But yes, quite a few modern folks who claim to practice the "pagan" faiths of their distant ancestors worship nature spirits/gods.


Thats the definition I use as well for paganism. Or else I wouldn use that label.

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Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:But I need to stick to my roots. I would expect an fellow Nationalist to understand that, but I guess I am an extreme one.


You're not sticking to your roots. You're just pretending to have faith when you admit you don't. It's like saying you don't have faith in Christ but you're still a Christian, it's silly.


Taking christianity (or special kneejerk reaction edition: Islam) as element for constructing an identity and then throwing themself into its abyss, turning of their thinking off, adhering and defending it's every folly and edge, because they needed something to believe and couldn get it together on their own.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:09 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:I've found as I've grown older Thirst pictures have less and less effect; I find them annoying mostly. Oddly enough, once you reach the point of not caring that's when the girls begin to flock to you.

Shhh. Don't tell our secrets. I'm not really fond of thirst trap pictures anyhow. They sort of go against how I like to represent myself. Quiet, girl-next-door vibes and whatnot.

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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:34 pm

Thirst pictures signal uniformity which is a turn-off for some men and a turn-on for others.

Its a form of advertising basically.
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I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:35 pm

In fact how both [single - usually] men and women behave in public is closer to advertising than anyone would believe ! Advertising is truly evil !
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Cappuccina » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:51 pm

Wtf is a "thirst picture"? :blink:
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:54 pm

Cappuccina wrote:Wtf is a "thirst picture"? :blink:

Youll know if somoene sends you one, don't worry
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Novus America » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:59 pm

Cappuccina wrote:Wtf is a "thirst picture"? :blink:


https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... p&amp=true

A deliberately sexualized or provocative picture with the intention of getting a lot of comments from the opposite gender (or same gender if gay or bi) about how hot one is.
Basically wanting to get hit on electronically as a method of feeding one’s ego and feeling better.
Obviously there is no intention of actually doing anything with those who comment and reply. The people desperately commenting on thirst pictures rarely if ever get any.

In the vast majority, nearly all cases the poster is a women and the commentators desperate men.
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:23 pm

Novus America wrote:The people desperately commenting on thirst pictures rarely if ever get any.
yes, key component
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:37 pm

Nothing washes down thirst pics like gamer girl bath water.

*cries in existential dread*
Nation name in proper language: 花降岳|पुष्पद्वीप
Theravada Buddhist
李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:49 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Nothing washes down thirst pics like gamer girl bath water.

*cries in existential dread*

:rofl: I legit just watched a reaction video about that lmbo
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:48 pm

Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:
Highever wrote:It's more a combination of Shintoism and buddhism and not really full shintoism.

True, then what about Hinduism?


Hinduism is less of one religion and more wildly different religious schools which developed in India. The name derives from the Indus River, which is the equivalent of calling Judaism, Christianity, and Islam one religion named “Jordanism.” Advaita Vedanta and Gaudiya Vaishnavism, the two most popular schools in the West, are wildly different from each other when you consider what they believe. Gaudiya Vashnaivism like other dualist and personalist schools of India rejects the notion that God is formless or personality-less and instead argues that God is a person like everyone else (i.e Vishnu or Krishna) and the main aspiration is to reach enlightenment and be reborn in Vishnu's heaven. This is wildly different from how most people imagine Hinduism and why the concept is so amorphous to the point where some Indians include Buddhists, Jains, atheists, and even Christians or Muslims as Hindus.
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Nation name in proper language: 花降岳|पुष्पद्वीप
Theravada Buddhist
李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:53 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:True, then what about Hinduism?


Hinduism is less of one religion and more wildly different religious schools which developed in India. The name derives from the Indus River, which is the equivalent of calling Judaism, Christianity, and Islam one religion named “Jordanism.” Advaita Vedanta and Gaudiya Vaishnavism, the two most popular schools in the West, are wildly different from each other when you consider what they believe. Gaudiya Vashnaivism like other dualist and personalist schools of India rejects the notion that God is formless or personality-less and instead argues that God is a person like everyone else (i.e Vishnu or Krishna) and the main aspiration is to reach enlightenment and be reborn in Vishnu's heaven. This is wildly different from how most people imagine Hinduism and why the concept is so amorphous to the point where some Indians include Buddhists, Jains, atheists, and even Christians or Muslims as Hindus.

This sounds almost like "Some Indians use Hindu as a synonym for ethnic Indian".
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:57 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Yeah, the Soviets definitely weren't any better than Nazi Germany. After all, they too were a power hungry nation with an aggressive foreign policy. Yet, given the strategic circumstances, the Allies needed them in an effort to weaken Nazi Germany. Then, we should've taken action against the Soviets once Germany and Japan were annihilated.

You think we should've gone to war with the USSR?!?

We honestly should have, tbh.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:07 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:You think we should've gone to war with the USSR?!?

We honestly should have, tbh.

Honestly if we went to war in the forties it should have been against communism. But really we should have stayed home. Hitler and Stalin would've finished each other off.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:17 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:We honestly should have, tbh.

Honestly if we went to war in the forties it should have been against communism. But really we should have stayed home. Hitler and Stalin would've finished each other off.


One of them would have won, and conquered all of Europe. Millions more would have died.

Moral issues aside WWII was a massive economic and social benefit to the US, leading us to unprecedented power and prosperity.

Given the massive benefits that came from WWII the position we should not have gotten involved is both immoral and illogical.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:37 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Nothing washes down thirst pics like gamer girl bath water.

*cries in existential dread*


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