Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Greater Adamsia]

In regard to economics, I'm partial to some form of corporatism which is grassroots and centered around localities, instead of the totalitarian centralized system which the Fascists proposed. There definitely needs to be a redistribution of land to poor & homeless people, I'm starting to think urban life was a major mistake.

Urban life is inevitable when you have a population of 7 billion. Urban life also allowed for greater convenience and greater scientific advancement, which leads to higher quality of life.

Blatantly untrue on both counts.

Okay, when is war good?

We didn't turn them away; even after the events of 1938 something like only 39,000 Jews had even applied for immigration to the United States. I also just don't see any value in accepting hordes of European Jews either.

The value is that we would've been saving their lives by accepting them.

Outsiders commonly view the Union as repressive, but its institutions reflect Sunaran values and culture, an all-encompassing philosophical and ideological worldview termed “The Sacrifice”. The Sunaran Union is a fiercely hierarchical society. In private life, this is emphasized by familial obligations, with advanced age viewed as a sign of strength and wisdom. Their families are often multi-generational and the continuation of family lines is of extreme importance. Duty to the family is mirrored in public life by duty to the state. In the life of every respectable Sunaran, complete loyalty to the state is of the utmost significance. During the establishment of the Union in ancient pre-starfaring times, the disparate spiritual beliefs of the five Sunaran nations were subsumed into the worship of the state itself, which is treated as omniscient and omnipotent, akin to a strict-yet-benevolent God. Modern Sunaran philosophy values first and foremost strength of will, in particular collective will. In every facet of Sunaran culture, these ideas are demonstrated. Their architecture places people of significance in physically higher locations, their literature emphasizes selfless devotion to the state, and so on. Outside of the Sacrifice, the Union is defined by manifest destiny motivated primarily by a sense of noblesse oblige towards their “lessers”. The Sunari believe that it is their divinely-ordained mandate to spread peace and plenty to their misguided brethren among the stars. They undertake this task with the utmost of zeal, but they seldom resort to flashy displays of power. Rather, the Sunari are masters of cultural imperialism, their missionaries and envoys patient; they establish “benevolent” (or perhaps more accurately, well-intentioned) rule via gradual assimilation and mass indoctrination into Sunaran values, with those who resist brought into the Union by force. However, while the Sunari believe that their way of life is superior to all others, they recognize other life-forms, whether organic or mechanical, as equals under the sovereign provided that they conform to the state ideology of the Sacrifice. For to the Sunari, one’s Sunaran-ness is a cultural rather than ethnic quality, dependent not on the waters of the womb but by the blood of the covenant.

Not sure if this goes here, though. I thought it was relevant, but I dunno about what y'all think.

I think it's really good. (But you should make them less statist and less collectivist).

I drew inspiration from Confucian and Fascist thought, among other things.

[Totally Not OEP]

The value is that we would've been saving their lives by accepting them.

It was a global war, ultimately you had to weigh national interests against lives in a pragmatic way.

[Totally Not OEP]

The US should've remained 100% isolationist from the get-go.

Weren't you advocating for dealing arms to both the Allied Powers and the Axis Powers, or am I confusing you with someone else?

Not a bad strategy, and one Truman himself endorsed with regards to the Eastern Front.

[ElCKuT]

The value is that we would've been saving their lives by accepting them.

It was a global war, ultimately you had to weigh national interests against lives in a pragmatic way.

Eff that. Lives are worth waaaaay more than whatever the heck a nation wants.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Weren't you advocating for dealing arms to both the Allied Powers and the Axis Powers, or am I confusing you with someone else?

Not a bad strategy, and one Truman himself endorsed with regards to the Eastern Front.

Wait, was it you or was it Dio?

[Totally Not OEP]

It was a global war, ultimately you had to weigh national interests against lives in a pragmatic way.

Eff that. Lives are worth waaaaay more than whatever the heck a nation wants.

When you lose and enemy tanks are rolling through your nation, come back and talk.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You think we should've gone to war with the USSR?!?

The following is a meme answer, so please take it in a spirit of jest:

Yes. We should have nuked the Soviets in the brief window before they had access to nukes. This is sensible. This is fine.

I unironically agree with this.

Okay, when is war good?

In a vast number of scenarios.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

The following is a meme answer, so please take it in a spirit of jest:

Yes. We should have nuked the Soviets in the brief window before they had access to nukes. This is sensible. This is fine.

I unironically agree with this.

You... you do realize that I was joking, right?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I unironically agree with this.

You... you do realize that I was joking, right?

Yes, but you shouldn't have been.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

You... you do realize that I was joking, right?

Yes, but you shouldn't have been.

Granted, I wrote a paper advocating for such while in a high school class on the Cold War, so a part of me does think that a pre-emptive strike shortly after WWII would have been a good idea; but I'm not a full-on warmongering "hawk" like you are. No offense intended, of course.

[Torrocca]

No to the Jews? Or the cutting off the Soviets early?

We didn't turn them away; even after the events of 1938 something like only 39,000 Jews had even applied for immigration to the United States. I also just don't see any value in accepting hordes of European Jews either.

Well this is just about the most disgusting statement ever made on this site.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We didn't turn them away; even after the events of 1938 something like only 39,000 Jews had even applied for immigration to the United States. I also just don't see any value in accepting hordes of European Jews either.

Well this is just about the most disgusting statement ever made on this site.

You've clearly missed literally everything Kubumba has ever posted lol

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

We didn't turn them away; even after the events of 1938 something like only 39,000 Jews had even applied for immigration to the United States. I also just don't see any value in accepting hordes of European Jews either.

Well this is just about the most disgusting statement ever made on this site.

What about the person who advocated for bestiality? 1000 Cats, I think it was. They made some pretty disgusting statements, IIRC.

[Torrocca]

Well this is just about the most disgusting statement ever made on this site.

You've clearly missed literally everything Kubumba has ever posted lol

Most of that's not as bad as this.

Well this is just about the most disgusting statement ever made on this site.

What about the person who advocated for bestiality? 1000 Cats, I think it was. They made some pretty disgusting statements, IIRC.

Anything that person said takes the cake, obviously, but fucking wowza that OEP post is in the top marks for fucked up.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I unironically agree with this.

You... you do realize that I was joking, right?

Both sides though, and later on.

We should have nuked everyone to establish utopia with the survivors. China and India to get population centers out of the way, then indiscriminately firing at populous targets and not strategic targets.

I'm fairly sure we'd have a shithole that literally murders the remainder of humanity, but it would be worth it. Reasons?

1. No Cold War
2. No embarrassments
3. It can't really get worse, can it?

[Washington Resistance Army]

You've clearly missed literally everything Kubumba has ever posted lol

Most of that's not as bad as this.

He quite unironically supports and advocates for a system where slavery is legal and people like you are punished via being whipped a hundred times in public. That's a tiny bit worse than saying "eh, I don't see much value in open doors".

[ElCKuT]

You've clearly missed literally everything Kubumba has ever posted lol

Most of that's not as bad as this.

THANK YOU!

[ElCKuT]

You... you do realize that I was joking, right?

Both sides though, and later on.

We should have nuked everyone to establish utopia with the survivors. China and India to get population centers out of the way, then indiscriminately firing at populous targets and not strategic targets.

I'm fairly sure we'd have a shithole that literally murders the remainder of humanity, but it would be worth it. Reasons?

1. No Cold War
2. No embarrassments
3. It can't really get worse, can it?

You're joking, right?

[Torrocca]

Most of that's not as bad as this.

He quite unironically supports and advocates for a system where slavery is legal and people like you are punished via being whipped a hundred times in public. That's a tiny bit worse than saying "eh, I don't see much value in open doors".

I'm pretty sure anything El-Amin's said about that only makes up a fraction of what he's ever posted, hence the "most".

[Washington Resistance Army]

You... you do realize that I was joking, right?

Both sides though, and later on.

We should have nuked everyone to establish utopia with the survivors. China and India to get population centers out of the way, then indiscriminately firing at populous targets and not strategic targets.

I'm fairly sure we'd have a shithole that literally murders the remainder of humanity, but it would be worth it. Reasons?

1. No Cold War
2. No embarrassments
3. It can't really get worse, can it?

Ah, another person joins my nuclear accelerationist club. Welcome!

[Cappuccina]

We didn't turn them away; even after the events of 1938 something like only 39,000 Jews had even applied for immigration to the United States. I also just don't see any value in accepting hordes of European Jews either.

Well this is just about the most disgusting statement ever made on this site.

Generally, hordes of foreigners pouring into your country is a bad thing. OEP could live substituted Jews for any other group, his point is still valid.

[Totally Not OEP]

Well this is just about the most disgusting statement ever made on this site.

Generally, hordes of foreigners pouring into your country is a bad thing. OEP could live substituted Jews for any other group, his point is still valid.

Torrocca is literally manufactured outrage, pay them no mind.

[Torrocca]

Well this is just about the most disgusting statement ever made on this site.

Generally, hordes of foreigners pouring into your country is a bad thing. OEP could live substituted Jews for any other group, his point is still valid.

I genuinely don't care about any of that, given the specific context of his post where he's outright dehumanizing people who were taking flight from a genocidal regime that was specifically targeting them and claiming there's no value to saving human fucking lives.

[ElCKuT]

He quite unironically supports and advocates for a system where slavery is legal and people like you are punished via being whipped a hundred times in public. That's a tiny bit worse than saying "eh, I don't see much value in open doors".

I'm pretty sure anything El-Amin's said about that only makes up a fraction of what he's ever posted, hence the "most".

Also WRA misconstrued my argument. You wouldn't be whipped for homosexual sex because you aren't Muslim. And I never said anything about "in public" so idk where he got that from.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Both sides though, and later on.

We should have nuked everyone to establish utopia with the survivors. China and India to get population centers out of the way, then indiscriminately firing at populous targets and not strategic targets.

I'm fairly sure we'd have a shithole that literally murders the remainder of humanity, but it would be worth it. Reasons?

1. No Cold War
2. No embarrassments
3. It can't really get worse, can it?

Ah, another person joins my nuclear accelerationist club. Welcome!

So you un-ironically want to watch the world burn, I take it?