Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Diopolis]

Pretty much. Should've just stayed home in the first place.

We still had to fight Japan, even if we ignored Europe. And how many would have died if we had?
Also you need to read Hitler’s second book. He made it clear that after winning in Europe he sought an epic war to the death against the US.
He was totally insane and not going to stop.

Our involvement in WWII was 100% justified.

Hitler was a lunatic who the German army was planning on assassinating as soon as he was no longer useful. Things like "what if generalplan ost had been fully implemented" and "what if Germany had invaded the US afterwards" ignore this fact.

[Novus America]

WWII was not imperialist on the part of the US (though the Soviets were really bad TBH).

Tbh, for the Allies, the Pacific Theater wasn't really all that different from the colonial wars of the past. It just looked like a righteous crusade for freedom because Japan was trying to be Mongol Empire 2.0.

Although international law was not as well developed.
The real question becomes is tha advantage gained by the attack greater than the harm caused?

I don't deny the reasoning behind the atomic bombings, but that doesn't mean I think they were right. Perhaps necessary but also heinous as well.

Well for the British and Dutch it was. For the US we actually did want to protect Chinese independence. We did not do it to gain territory.

You have a fair point about the nuclear strikes.
I agree they were not good, the were awful. But unfortunately we had no other choice.

[Cappuccina]

We still had to fight Japan, even if we ignored Europe. And how many would have died if we had?
Also you need to read Hitler’s second book. He made it clear that after winning in Europe he sought an epic war to the death against the US.
He was totally insane and not going to stop.

Our involvement in WWII was 100% justified.

Hitler was a lunatic who the German army was planning on assassinating as soon as he was no longer useful. Things like "what if generalplan ost had been fully implemented" and "what if Germany had invaded the US afterwards" ignore this fact.

Barring the fact that Germany, even at her height, wouldn't be able to actually mount an invasion of the mainland US.

[Hanafuridake]

TBH there's not really a self-consistent way to condemn the bombing of hiroshima but not dresden. You can condemn both, though.

The firebombings of Dresden, Tokyo, and other places should've been considered a war crime and I think they were motivated more by cruelty than an actual pragmatic purpose. I once listened to a lecture by B. R. Myers where he conceded that the carpet bombings of North Korea during the Korean War would rightfully be considered war crimes as well. The bombings during the Korean War did not even have the justification of being proportionate to the threat posed.

Most Americans leaned that way until Pearl Harbor, and even then, most people just wanted to fight solely against Japan. Roosevelt actually had to run a pretty hard propaganda machine to drum up support going to war against Germany.

We could have literally ignored Germany's declaration of war and nothing would have happened to us.

Shouldn't have started with sanctions on Japan and lend lease, either. America should've stayed home, making a killing selling war material and raw material at inflated prices.

Didn't your God drive you kind of people out of his temple?

[Novus America]

We still had to fight Japan, even if we ignored Europe. And how many would have died if we had?
Also you need to read Hitler’s second book. He made it clear that after winning in Europe he sought an epic war to the death against the US.
He was totally insane and not going to stop.

Our involvement in WWII was 100% justified.

Hitler was a lunatic who the German army was planning on assassinating as soon as he was no longer useful. Things like "what if generalplan ost had been fully implemented" and "what if Germany had invaded the US afterwards" ignore this fact.

But they never did assassinate him.
Hopping they would was not a strategy.

I agree is his insane plans would not fully work out, but he would have killed so many more.

When the Germans started badly loading the war they began scaling back the Holocaust.
Letting it continue (and TBH many German generals cared nothing about the Jews dying).

And remember the Generals only started to turn on Hitler AFTER he started losing the war.
They did not do it for any moral or ethical reasons beyond trying to keep Germany from losing too badly. So long as Germany was winning they would have supported Hitler.

[Novus America]

Hitler was a lunatic who the German army was planning on assassinating as soon as he was no longer useful. Things like "what if generalplan ost had been fully implemented" and "what if Germany had invaded the US afterwards" ignore this fact.

Barring the fact that Germany, even at her height, wouldn't be able to actually mount an invasion of the mainland US.

Of course not, but Hitler still might have tried an attack on the US.
Even before the US entered the war he was trying to build bombers to hit the US.

[Novus America]

Most Americans leaned that way until Pearl Harbor, and even then, most people just wanted to fight solely against Japan. Roosevelt actually had to run a pretty hard propaganda machine to drum up support going to war against Germany.

We could have literally ignored Germany's declaration of war and nothing would have happened to us.

Shouldn't have started with sanctions on Japan and lend lease, either. America should've stayed home, making a killing selling war material and raw material at inflated prices.

Ah yes, let 100s of millions die just to make money. Anyways how could will sell to China if it was destroyed? Dead customers do not buy as much.

[ElCKuT]

Most Americans leaned that way until Pearl Harbor, and even then, most people just wanted to fight solely against Japan. Roosevelt actually had to run a pretty hard propaganda machine to drum up support going to war against Germany.

We could have literally ignored Germany's declaration of war and nothing would have happened to us.

Shouldn't have started with sanctions on Japan and lend lease, either. America should've stayed home, making a killing selling war material and raw material at inflated prices.

Profiting off of war is effed up. We should've just stayed out of it completely, only helping persecuted people.

[Cappuccina]

Shouldn't have started with sanctions on Japan and lend lease, either. America should've stayed home, making a killing selling war material and raw material at inflated prices.

Ah yes, let 100s of millions die just to make money. Anyways how could will sell to China if it was destroyed? Dead customers do not buy as much.

The idea of the US doing as Dio suggests would've been great in the short run, but war with the Axis was inevitable, especially with the Japanese imo. It would've lead to a longer more brutal war in the long run, if Japan managed to conquer and pacify China and southeast Asia.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ah yes, let 100s of millions die just to make money. Anyways how could will sell to China if it was destroyed? Dead customers do not buy as much.

The idea of the US doing as Dio suggests would've been great in the short run, but war with the Axis was inevitable, especially with the Japanese imo. It would've lead to a longer more brutal war in the long run, if Japan managed to conquer and pacify China and southeast Asia.

Japan was never going to conquer more than coastal China tbh

[Totally Not OEP]

The idea of the US doing as Dio suggests would've been great in the short run, but war with the Axis was inevitable, especially with the Japanese imo. It would've lead to a longer more brutal war in the long run, if Japan managed to conquer and pacify China and southeast Asia.

Japan was never going to conquer more than coastal China tbh

Ichi-Go damn near knocked them out of the war in 1944, and mass starvation was starting to set in but luckily the Allies managed to open new supply routes due to their advance into Burma.

[Novus America]

The idea of the US doing as Dio suggests would've been great in the short run, but war with the Axis was inevitable, especially with the Japanese imo. It would've lead to a longer more brutal war in the long run, if Japan managed to conquer and pacify China and southeast Asia.

Japan was never going to conquer more than coastal China tbh

That would still be enough to slaughter and starve to death 100s of millions though.

[Novus America]

Anyways for those saying we should have stayed out WWII, how would that make things better for the US?

WWII was a massive benefit to us, a huge success. We reached our height in the 50s to early 60s in no small part BECAUSE of the war!

[Totally Not OEP]

Just don't be making thirsty posts on Insta like 90% of White girls this Summer.

So no pictures sitting on a cooler? Lame.

I've found as I've grown older Thirst pictures have less and less effect; I find them annoying mostly. Oddly enough, once you reach the point of not caring that's when the girls begin to flock to you.

[Jolthig]

Anyways for those saying we should have stayed out WWII, how would that make things better for the US?

WWII was a massive benefit to us, a huge success. We reached our height in the 50s to early 60s in no small part BECAUSE of the war!

It's not just that but because of the fact we helped to save the world from the scourge of oppressive dictatorships. Only the ones who got out of hand in foreign policy anyway except the USSR who we had no choice but to ally with cuz of Germany.

[Totally Not OEP]

In regard to economics, I'm partial to some form of corporatism which is grassroots and centered around localities, instead of the totalitarian centralized system which the Fascists proposed. There definitely needs to be a redistribution of land to poor & homeless people, I'm starting to think urban life was a major mistake.

I'm ambivalent because I have a thing for industry in an economics sense but realize the growth of cities has probably had a negative impact overall. Oddly enough on this note, I've been reading up on Russian Industrialization lately and one thing that keeps coming up is the communal nature of the Peasant villages as a check on industrial growth.

[Novus America]

Anyways for those saying we should have stayed out WWII, how would that make things better for the US?

WWII was a massive benefit to us, a huge success. We reached our height in the 50s to early 60s in no small part BECAUSE of the war!

It's not just that but because of the fact we helped to save the world from the scourge of oppressive dictatorships. Only the ones who got out of hand in foreign policy anyway except the USSR who we had no choice but to ally with cuz of Germany.

Sure, but with them clearly the moral argument alone is not sufficient.

[ElCKuT]

Anyways for those saying we should have stayed out WWII, how would that make things better for the US?

WWII was a massive benefit to us, a huge success. We reached our height in the 50s to early 60s in no small part BECAUSE of the war!

War is never good nor beneficial. People die either in the crossfire, are deliberately killed by soldiers or die fighting for a nation's greed. The only thing America should've done in WW2 was help refugees and fight the Holocaust.

[Bear Stearns]

So no pictures sitting on a cooler? Lame.

I've found as I've grown older Thirst pictures have less and less effect; I find them annoying mostly. Oddly enough, once you reach the point of not caring that's when the girls begin to flock to you.

This man, he speaks the truth.

[Nova Cyberia]

We still had to fight Japan, even if we ignored Europe. And how many would have died if we had?
Also you need to read Hitler’s second book. He made it clear that after winning in Europe he sought an epic war to the death against the US.
He was totally insane and not going to stop.

Our involvement in WWII was 100% justified.

Hitler was a lunatic who the German army was planning on assassinating as soon as he was no longer useful. Things like "what if generalplan ost had been fully implemented" and "what if Germany had invaded the US afterwards" ignore this fact.

Do you have evidence of this?

[Washington Resistance Army]

War is never good nor beneficial.

Blatantly untrue on both counts.

[Jolthig]

It's not just that but because of the fact we helped to save the world from the scourge of oppressive dictatorships. Only the ones who got out of hand in foreign policy anyway except the USSR who we had no choice but to ally with cuz of Germany.

Sure, but with them clearly the moral argument alone is not sufficient.

From a stragedy standpoint, yes. But with the war being over, as we both said, more action should have been taken with the USSR.

[Nova Cyberia]

War is never good nor beneficial.

Blatantly untrue on both counts.

I wonder if he thinks that about the Islamic conquests.

[Novus America]

Anyways for those saying we should have stayed out WWII, how would that make things better for the US?

WWII was a massive benefit to us, a huge success. We reached our height in the 50s to early 60s in no small part BECAUSE of the war!

War is never good nor beneficial. People die either in the crossfire, are deliberately killed by soldiers or die fighting for a nation's greed. The only thing America should've done in WW2 was help refugees and fight the Holocaust.

Okay, I will bite.

How could we have fought the Holocaust without fighting?
(I miss the face slap emoji).

[Novus America]

Sure, but with them clearly the moral argument alone is not sufficient.

From a stragedy standpoint, yes. But with the war being over, as we both said, more action should have been taken with the USSR.

Sure, we still made some big mistakes. We should heave ended all aid to the Soviets late 1944.
We should have taken in Jews from the beginning of Nazi Germany not turned them away.