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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:09 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I'm just shaking my head at you ice cream fools. One day you'll recognise the Sorbet master race.

Heresy intensifies.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:36 am

Kowani wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I'm just shaking my head at you ice cream fools. One day you'll recognise the Sorbet master race.

Heresy intensifies.

Converted to theism, have you, Kowani?
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:43 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Heresy intensifies.

Converted to theism, have you, Kowani?

Founding a fake religion is piety of the highest order. Thus, I have come to save all of your souls.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:48 am

I'm still rather proud of the fact I helped create the Third Positionist clique here.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:49 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Converted to theism, have you, Kowani?

Founding a fake religion is piety of the highest order. Thus, I have come to save all of your souls.

Imagine how good founding a fake religion would be tho. You could write your own holy book. For a while back in 2015 in grade 9, me and my friends were joking about writing a holy book called "The Bibble," where instead of worshipping Jesus, we worshipped a creepy 8th grade English teacher.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:52 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Founding a fake religion is piety of the highest order. Thus, I have come to save all of your souls.

Imagine how good founding a fake religion would be tho. You could write your own holy book. For a while back in 2015 in grade 9, me and my friends were joking about writing a holy book called "The Bibble," where instead of worshipping Jesus, we worshipped a creepy 8th grade English teacher.

…If I drank alcohol, I’d need some after reading that.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:36 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about we just don't annex anything, and respect international law. If you wanna be isolationist, be isolationist, don't be expansionist.


I'm literally probably the hardest Right Winger here, to the point some here question my sanity. Do you really think I care about international law?

Excuse me?
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Beggnig
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Postby Beggnig » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:39 am

Kowani wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I'm just shaking my head at you ice cream fools. One day you'll recognise the Sorbet master race.

Heresy intensifies.

ANATHEMA

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:30 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm still rather proud of the fact I helped create the Third Positionist clique here.


It's the bestest and coolest gang in da hood.

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:38 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kicking us out is a great way to invite the PRC to come in and break the unbroken line lol


Japan and South Korea both spend a good deal of money on their military budgets, considering not even the North has been invaded despite having been a serious pain in the neck to Mao for decades, there's no serious risk of a military conflict in the region.

The military bases should have been shut down after the rape incident in 1995.


Or the rapists could just be court marshaled and executed or handed over to South Korean criminal courts.

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:40 am

Jolthig wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Hence why the rest of the world needs to cut off trade as well.

So you're saying Japan should go back to its isolationist era?


Well at least it would be better than becoming a lackey of the PRC.

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Khabarovsk Kray
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Postby Khabarovsk Kray » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:45 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about we just don't annex anything, and respect international law. If you wanna be isolationist, be isolationist, don't be expansionist.


I'm literally probably the hardest Right Winger here, to the point some here question my sanity. Do you really think I care about international law?

*reads evola once*

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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:56 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Jolthig wrote:So you're saying Japan should go back to its isolationist era?


Well at least it would be better than becoming a lackey of the PRC.

Sure, but the PRC will use that to their advantage to cut at US influence in the region
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:21 am

Napkizemlja wrote:At the very least can we support a pro-American coup? Basically turn it into a mini-America (to an extent). We just...need...the right person.


No...Canada is part of the Commonwealth and should not become more Americanized. Although a return to communitarian one-nation conservatism and the rejection of current neo-liberalism and social liberalism of the Trudeau government would be a welcome change.

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:22 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Fahran wrote:Alberta is relatively conservative politically, no? And it has an abundance of natural resources and would link Alaska to the Union if we took some of the western provinces. Ontario, Quebec, etc. are the population centers and liberal hubs if we take away Vancouver.


I don't know, it's just weird because I just have no desire to annex Canada at all when most of the others in this thread do. I'd rather us expanding South into Latin America directly as well into Afro-Eurasia in the form of Colonies; I guess it's the Southerner in me, what with the Golden Circle and such.


But why do one when you can do both? :twisted:
In the name of north south unity we should both help the other. 8)
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:23 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Jolthig wrote:So you're saying Japan should go back to its isolationist era?


Well at least it would be better than becoming a lackey of the PRC.


But it does not have to. Its best protection is working with allies to counter the PRC.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:27 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Japan and South Korea both spend a good deal of money on their military budgets, considering not even the North has been invaded despite having been a serious pain in the neck to Mao for decades, there's no serious risk of a military conflict in the region.

The military bases should have been shut down after the rape incident in 1995.


Or the rapists could just be court marshaled and executed or handed over to South Korean criminal courts.


But why? They were tried in Japanese court for committing a crime in Japan (presumably court martialed too by the US). Why should Japan not run its own courts? :eyebrow:

And as I showed before US soldiers commit less crimes than the Japanese anyways.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:34 am

Novus America wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Or the rapists could just be court marshaled and executed or handed over to South Korean criminal courts.


But why? They were tried in Japanese court for committing a crime in Japan (presumably court martialed too by the US). Why should Japan not run its own courts? :eyebrow:

And as I showed before US soldiers commit less crimes than the Japanese anyways.


Oh? Well there were also incidents with US soldiers committing rape in South Korea, so I thought that was what Hana was referring to.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:36 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
smh I'm more extreme than anyone and you know it


Ahem.


Get out normie, you don't even desire total nuclear warfare.
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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Ahem.


Get out normie, you don't even desire total nuclear warfare.

Man, all of you nerds are trying to one-up each other with your extremism. And I am just here thinking "Maybe we shouldn't oppress half the world and nuke the other one"
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:38 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Novus America wrote:
But why? They were tried in Japanese court for committing a crime in Japan (presumably court martialed too by the US). Why should Japan not run its own courts? :eyebrow:

And as I showed before US soldiers commit less crimes than the Japanese anyways.


Oh? Well there were also incidents with US soldiers committing rape in South Korea, so I thought that was what Hana was referring to.


She was referring to an incident that happened in Japan. I linked to the incident.
But yes, those involved were handed over to Japanese Courts to be tried.

Of course rape regardless of who does it is disgusting and must be punished.
My objection is her using it to beat her America ebul drum.

It is a blatantly bad faith argument. “American soldiers in Japan occasionally commit crimes (though are far more law abiding on average than Japanese) ergo they must be expelled to protect innocent Japanese”. Yes American soldiers are not perfect, but they are better behaved than the Japanese themselves and subject to Japanese courts.

These types want to close down the bases because they hate America, and use any time a crime happens as an excuse to beat that drum. Obviously their reasons for closing the bases have nothing to do with the occasional crime. It is blatantly disingenuous.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:41 am

Novus America wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Oh? Well there were also incidents with US soldiers committing rape in South Korea, so I thought that was what Hana was referring to.


She was referring to an in incident that happened in Japan. I linked to the incident.
But yes, those involved were handed over to Japanese Courts to be tried.

Of course rape regardless of who does it is disgusting and must be punished.
My objection is her using it to beat her America ebul drum.

... Wait, the Japanese (guy?) was talking about American rape? Oh boy.

Not saying it was any more or less bad, just Jesus Christ
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:48 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about we just don't annex anything, and respect international law. If you wanna be isolationist, be isolationist, don't be expansionist.


I'm literally probably the hardest Right Winger here, to the point some here question my sanity. Do you really think I care about international law?


International law helps to maintain order and stability, which are very important values for the right-wing.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:55 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
I'm literally probably the hardest Right Winger here, to the point some here question my sanity. Do you really think I care about international law?


International law helps to maintain order and stability

And?

which are very important values for the right-wing


Given WW2, Franco, Trump, and a shit ton of monarchs... (X)
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:07 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:International law helps to maintain order and stability

And?

which are very important values for the right-wing


Given WW2, Franco, Trump, and a shit ton of monarchs... (X)


Well, although I believe in monarchy as an institution and a principle, I acknowledge that not all individual monarchs are perfect. Secondly, I would not necessarily consider the Nazis or Trump real right-wing. I mean, I guess you could argue that they have some right wing ideas, but unlike what leftist propaganda would have you believe, they are nowhere close to being representatives of pure right-wing ideology. Finally, concerning Franco, I would certainly agree that he was a flawed and imperfect leader, but I do think he valued order and stability. After all, he fought against the communists and anarchists because he wanted to maintain the old social order and prevent traditional Spanish culture and values and Catholic faith from being destroyed. So how is that contrary to social order and stability? It is also significant to note that Franco was mostly non-interventionist in terms of foreign policy.

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