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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:42 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about we just don't annex anything, and respect international law. If you wanna be isolationist, be isolationist, don't be expansionist.


I'm literally probably the hardest Right Winger here, to the point some here question my sanity. Do you really think I care about international law?


smh I'm more extreme than anyone and you know it
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:42 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:Multiple flavors of the far-right.

The political right is like ice cream. Most of the flavors are good, sweet, refreshing, and wholesome.

But then you have mint. In this context, white nationalists and their ilk. :p

What flavor are right-wing libertarians?
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:43 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
I'm literally probably the hardest Right Winger here, to the point some here question my sanity. Do you really think I care about international law?

I think you should care about the law against annexing countries. I thought the far-right was all about staying isolationist, and not fighting meaningless wars and not invading everywhere.


I'm not an Alt-Righter. It really bothers me how much perception of what being Far Right is comes from the likes of Heimbach or Spencer; I believe in expansionism for one great example and I find White Nationalism to be stupid as a concept.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
I'm literally probably the hardest Right Winger here, to the point some here question my sanity. Do you really think I care about international law?


smh I'm more extreme than anyone and you know it


Ahem.
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Totally Not OEP
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
I'm literally probably the hardest Right Winger here, to the point some here question my sanity. Do you really think I care about international law?


smh I'm more extreme than anyone and you know it


Depends on the exact policy area. Social Policy I'm definitely the one furthest out there here.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:47 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I think you should care about the law against annexing countries. I thought the far-right was all about staying isolationist, and not fighting meaningless wars and not invading everywhere.


I'm not an Alt-Righter. It really bothers me how much perception of what being Far Right is comes from the likes of Heimbach or Spencer; I believe in expansionism for one great example and I find White Nationalism to be stupid as a concept.

Fair enough. I wouldn't like to be judged based on people like Spencer either. I don't get expansionism tho.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:48 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:$60 Billion a year for 10 years could end the cartels and give them a modern infrastructure system, with all that entails.

If spent prudently, yes. We honestly need to spend that here for some places too.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What flavor are right-wing libertarians?

Vanilla. :lol:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:smh I'm more extreme than anyone and you know it

You're not really that far out there. You sort of remind me of those middle-aged ranchers I know who have a lot of guns.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:49 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Fahran wrote:The political right is like ice cream. Most of the flavors are good, sweet, refreshing, and wholesome.

But then you have mint. In this context, white nationalists and their ilk. :p

What flavor are right-wing libertarians?

White Chocolate.
You’re not quite centrist vanilla, but you’re nothing special. :p
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:50 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
I'm not an Alt-Righter. It really bothers me how much perception of what being Far Right is comes from the likes of Heimbach or Spencer; I believe in expansionism for one great example and I find White Nationalism to be stupid as a concept.

Fair enough. I wouldn't like to be judged based on people like Spencer either. I don't get expansionism tho.


Their entire platform is literally just White Nationalism, which in of itself I find stupid but also devoid of any real substance. The assumption that their ethno-state will just magically fix everything is naive, at best, and genocidal in practice if put to use while likely failing to achieve much beyond reducing their tax bills.

As for expansionism, it's firmly rooted in historical policy for most states. Adding resources, industry, labor and such things tend to dramatically increase the power of your state most obviously.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:52 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Fair enough. I wouldn't like to be judged based on people like Spencer either. I don't get expansionism tho.


Their entire platform is literally just White Nationalism, which in of itself I find stupid but also devoid of any real substance. The assumption that their ethno-state will just magically fix everything is naive, at best, and genocidal in practice if put to use while likely failing to achieve much beyond reducing their tax bills.

As for expansionism, it's firmly rooted in historical policy for most states. Adding resources, industry, labor and such things tend to dramatically increase the power of your state most obviously.

Unless you lose the war.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:52 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What flavor are right-wing libertarians?

White Chocolate.
You’re not quite centrist vanilla, but you’re nothing special. :p

I like white chocolate (and vanilla).
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:55 pm

Fahran wrote:If spent prudently, yes. We honestly need to spend that here for some places too.


Annex Mexico, and completely replace the existing administration with Americans who can be relied upon to more effectively administer such a program. In 2002 the Brookings Institution estimated $20 Billion a year for 10 years would achieve the infrastructure buildup needed to really boost Mexico's economy; given inflation, it's around $30 Billion now.

The reason corruption and crime is so pervasive is a function of the existing political structures, but also due to the fact Mexico only spends 1.4% of its GDP on law and order; the average in OCED nations is 4.7%. Italy, which had to tackle its own issues in terms of corruption and organized crime, spends 6.2% of its GDP on law enforcement. The U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) found that, per 100,000 people, Mexico had just 6.8 prosecutors and 4.2 judges in 2013. This is compared to Italy with 3.1 prosecutors and 17.1 judges, while even Scotland has 9.9 prosecutors and 4.9 judges per 100,000. Adding to this issue is the fact that between 2006 and 2015, the number of Federal police increased from 11,663 to 43,724 but real wages only rose 9%.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:55 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Fair enough. I wouldn't like to be judged based on people like Spencer either. I don't get expansionism tho.


Their entire platform is literally just White Nationalism, which in of itself I find stupid but also devoid of any real substance. The assumption that their ethno-state will just magically fix everything is naive, at best, and genocidal in practice if put to use while likely failing to achieve much beyond reducing their tax bills.

As for expansionism, it's firmly rooted in historical policy for most states. Adding resources, industry, labor and such things tend to dramatically increase the power of your state most obviously.

I guess expansionism is fair enough if you don't care about national sovereignty.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:55 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:White Chocolate.
You’re not quite centrist vanilla, but you’re nothing special. :p

I like white chocolate (and vanilla).

Well, aren’t you boring.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:55 pm

Kowani wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Their entire platform is literally just White Nationalism, which in of itself I find stupid but also devoid of any real substance. The assumption that their ethno-state will just magically fix everything is naive, at best, and genocidal in practice if put to use while likely failing to achieve much beyond reducing their tax bills.

As for expansionism, it's firmly rooted in historical policy for most states. Adding resources, industry, labor and such things tend to dramatically increase the power of your state most obviously.

Unless you lose the war.


Obviously.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:58 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Their entire platform is literally just White Nationalism, which in of itself I find stupid but also devoid of any real substance. The assumption that their ethno-state will just magically fix everything is naive, at best, and genocidal in practice if put to use while likely failing to achieve much beyond reducing their tax bills.

As for expansionism, it's firmly rooted in historical policy for most states. Adding resources, industry, labor and such things tend to dramatically increase the power of your state most obviously.

I guess expansionism is fair enough if you don't care about national sovereignty.


If it's really that big an issue for you, back in 1991 Este Pais did a poll of Mexicans that found 59% supported joining the United States. A follow on poll in 1999 found this support had endured. I have no idea if additional polling has been done since then, with the closest thing I know being Pew finding in 2015 that a third of Mexicans would move to the United States if they could.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:02 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I like white chocolate (and vanilla).

Well, aren’t you boring.

True tbh. My tastes are generally quite "vanilla," quite "basic." But, that's not necessarily wrong. Vanilla's not inherently worse than chocolate.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:04 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, aren’t you boring.

True tbh. My tastes are generally quite "vanilla," quite "basic." But, that's not necessarily wrong. Vanilla's not inherently worse than chocolate.

Vanilla’s better than chocolate. Chocolate sucks.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:17 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:White Chocolate.
You’re not quite centrist vanilla, but you’re nothing special. :p

I like white chocolate (and vanilla).


Vanilla plus Salted caramel is the flavour that makes me doubt my atheism.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:25 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I like white chocolate (and vanilla).


Vanilla plus Salted caramel is the flavour that makes me doubt my atheism.

Same, but white chocolate's good too. It's all sugar in the end though, I guess.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:33 pm

I'm just shaking my head at you ice cream fools. One day you'll recognise the Sorbet master race.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:51 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I'm just shaking my head at you ice cream fools. One day you'll recognise the Sorbet master race.


Hello, police? I'd like to report the murder of my last feelings of goodwill towards humanity.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:55 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I'm just shaking my head at you ice cream fools. One day you'll recognise the Sorbet master race.

*gag*
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Postby Raider Clans » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:58 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I'm just shaking my head at you ice cream fools. One day you'll recognise the Sorbet master race.

Worse opinion I've seen today.
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Postby Fahran » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:39 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I'm just shaking my head at you ice cream fools. One day you'll recognise the Sorbet master race.


Hello, police? I'd like to report the murder of my last feelings of goodwill towards humanity.

:rofl:

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