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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:02 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
It's accelerated in the past 15 years or so. When the Revolution comes, Zuckerberg will be the first to hang.

I disagree with starting a revolution, but yes, it accelerated.

Eh, revolution may be a good idea tbh. Not my first option though.

Kowani wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Both the Parties are hypercapitalist, they're politicians for God's (swt) sake.

Hypercapitalism refers to deregulation and unrestricted as possible free market enterprise. Which, does not characterize the Dems, although there are always exceptions.

So you meant pro-laissez faire?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:02 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Lamenting a change in moral standards =/= violent Islamist terrorist

Nice to see that you jump immediately to terrorism when I say Islamism.

But Dominionists have a history of terrorism too, so even that's a weak retort.


Because that's what it is.

And I'm not too familiar with Dominionism other than that it strongly Reformist.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:02 pm

Jolthig wrote:Yeah, I've advocated for Shariah, and I later apologized for the way I brought it up. Especially to UMN. That doesn't mean, I can't say the modesty of our society has gone downhill.

It's not about 'the way' you brought it up, it's that it was brought up at all.

It's all an expression of the same disease, in the end.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:03 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I disagree with starting a revolution, but yes, it accelerated.

Eh, revolution may be a good idea tbh. Not my first option though.

Kowani wrote:Hypercapitalism refers to deregulation and unrestricted as possible free market enterprise. Which, does not characterize the Dems, although there are always exceptions.

So you meant pro-laissez faire?

The problem with a revolution is that it would lead to instability or the country between competing factions as what happened during the Russian Civil War and then the civil wars we have now in the middle east.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Yeah, I've advocated for Shariah, and I later apologized for the way I brought it up. Especially to UMN. That doesn't mean, I can't say the modesty of our society has gone downhill.

It's not about 'the way' you brought it up, it's that it was brought up at all.

It's all an expression of the same disease, in the end.

And it doesn't refute what I said.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:04 pm

Jolthig wrote:And it doesn't refute what I said.

I wasn't trying to refute it. I was making an observation.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:05 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jolthig wrote:And it doesn't refute what I said.

I wasn't trying to refute it. I was making an observation.

A terrible one at best as it was a huge strawman. A totalitarian? Ridiculous.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:05 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Kowani wrote:A point on the welfare reform. Republican Bill, Republican Congress. Same with the repeal of Glass-Steagall.


And Clinton signed both, with Glass Steagall occuring when the Dems had made gains in 1996 and 1998 to control both Houses again. Hell, before Monicagate Clinton was moving to privatize Social Security with Gingrich.

Glass-Steagall was repealed by pretty substantial majorities. House, Even if every single Dem had voted no, they’d still have lost.Senate.
Same thing here.
I’ll believe the Social Security thing, though.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:05 pm

CM, I actually looked up what Dominionism. If the poster you addressed is indeed a Dominionist, then the comparison to Islamism might have some merit. But I do not believe that is the case. Nobody serious has been a Dominionist since the 80s.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:06 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I disagree with starting a revolution, but yes, it accelerated.

Eh, revolution may be a good idea tbh. Not my first option though.

Kowani wrote:Hypercapitalism refers to deregulation and unrestricted as possible free market enterprise. Which, does not characterize the Dems, although there are always exceptions.

So you meant pro-laissez faire?

Yeah.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:09 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I agree. The modesty of our society has really gone downhill the past century.

Sometimes it astounds me how similar Islamists and Dominionists are.

I suppose, in the end, there's not much difference between totalitarians.

Ahmadis are about as Islamist as Jehovah's Witnesses are Dominionist. It's fundamentally against their doctrines.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:10 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:CM, I actually looked up what Dominionism. If the poster you addressed is indeed a Dominionist, then the comparison to Islamism might have some merit. But I do not believe that is the case.

Yeah, we're just sitting around the table, passing the ol' Biblical Law around, fantasizing about how the world would be so much better if husbands could hang their wives as is written in OT.

Are you fucking kidding me?
Nobody serious has been a Dominionist since the 80s.

Fucking lol.
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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:10 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I wasn't trying to refute it. I was making an observation.

A terrible one at best as it was a huge strawman. A totalitarian? Ridiculous.

Remember religion with any actual moral relevance equals big bad!

Bear Stearns wrote:CM, I actually looked up what Dominionism. If the poster you addressed is indeed a Dominionist, then the comparison to Islamism might have some merit. But I do not believe that is the case. Nobody serious has been a Dominionist since the 80s.

I've read about Dominionism and found it very intriguing from my perspective as a Muslim.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:10 pm

Kowani wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
And Clinton signed both, with Glass Steagall occuring when the Dems had made gains in 1996 and 1998 to control both Houses again. Hell, before Monicagate Clinton was moving to privatize Social Security with Gingrich.

Glass-Steagall was repealed by pretty substantial majorities. House, Even if every single Dem had voted no, they’d still have lost.Senate.
Same thing here.
I’ll believe the Social Security thing, though.


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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:11 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:A terrible one at best as it was a huge strawman. A totalitarian? Ridiculous.

Remember religion with any actual moral relevance equals big bad!

Bear Stearns wrote:CM, I actually looked up what Dominionism. If the poster you addressed is indeed a Dominionist, then the comparison to Islamism might have some merit. But I do not believe that is the case. Nobody serious has been a Dominionist since the 80s.

I've read about Dominionism and found in very intriguing from my perspective as a Muslim.

Dominionism for Christians is advocated in Islam.
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Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:11 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Jolthig wrote:A terrible one at best as it was a huge strawman. A totalitarian? Ridiculous.

Remember religion with any actual moral relevance equals big bad!

Bear Stearns wrote:CM, I actually looked up what Dominionism. If the poster you addressed is indeed a Dominionist, then the comparison to Islamism might have some merit. But I do not believe that is the case. Nobody serious has been a Dominionist since the 80s.

I've read about Dominionism and found in very intriguing from my perspective as a Muslim.

Yep.

I don't hide the fact Shariah should come if the majority becomes Muslim and choses to have Shariah. However, given the present environment, that's impossible.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:12 pm

Kowani wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Eh, revolution may be a good idea tbh. Not my first option though.


So you meant pro-laissez faire?

Yeah.


Not to use a libertarian talking point, but multinational conglomerates are also a function of the state. They'd have a much more difficult time existing in a pure laissez-faire environment because they wouldn't be able to pass their costs of scaling onto tax payers.

A company like J.P. Morgan would not exist in a pure laissez-faire setting.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:52 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Nice to see that you jump immediately to terrorism when I say Islamism.

But Dominionists have a history of terrorism too, so even that's a weak retort.


Why are you even still here?


I ask myself this question all the time.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:56 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Why are you even still here?


I ask myself this question all the time.


Likewise.

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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:05 pm

Nakena wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
I ask myself this question all the time.


Likewise.

Because this thread is great for history buffing.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Likewise.

Because this thread is great for history buffing.


It should be renamed into History Discussion Thread.

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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:08 pm

Nakena wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Because this thread is great for history buffing.


It should be renamed into History Discussion Thread.

True, and I attempted a thread with that name back in december but it got locked because it would mix with other threads.

So that's why I love hanging in here.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:09 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:CM, I actually looked up what Dominionism. If the poster you addressed is indeed a Dominionist, then the comparison to Islamism might have some merit. But I do not believe that is the case.

Yeah, we're just sitting around the table, passing the ol' Biblical Law around, fantasizing about how the world would be so much better if husbands could hang their wives as is written in OT.

Are you fucking kidding me?
Nobody serious has been a Dominionist since the 80s.

Fucking lol.

Why would you hang your wife? You are supposed to love her.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:15 pm

Nakena wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Because this thread is great for history buffing.


It should be renamed into History Discussion Thread.


And Religious Debate Thread.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:16 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It should be renamed into History Discussion Thread.


And Religious Debate Thread.

I wish we had that too but that would also mix with other threads.
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