Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Nakena]

Indeed. However oddly enough theres still some right-wingers who have an fondness for islamist integralism over the so-called "Globohomo"

You mean all four of them? Find me a normal American right-winger or even alt righter whoa actually likes Islam.

The numbers are quite small and they're usually to be found among the more esoteric and obscure corners of the political scene and the movement but they do exist. Even here on NSG. And some even convert.

[Bear Stearns]

-Crippled

I wouldn't classify being crippled as something akin to being a criminal or a drug addict. That people used to would be a black mark on the pages of history.

The point was that if someone came over horribly crippled, then they wouldn't be able to support themselves, and would end up as wards of the state or criminals. The US government had an interest in preventing this.

[Bear Stearns]

Our immigration policy used to pretty sensible, and we'd ban people most likely to cause trouble. This included:
-Communists
-Anarchists
-Criminals
-Alcoholics
-Drug addicts
-Crippled
-Diseased
-Mental cases
-Anti-social people
-The lazy

The point of Ellis Island was to screen for these people.

I believe its entirely reasonable that a sovereign nation is choosing and setting it's criterias in regards to immigration.

It is perfectly rational. Why shouldn't we be picky?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Define "mental cases", if you don't mind of course.

People with mental illness. I believe at the time it was enforced, it mostly referred to autism, Down Syndrome, low IQ, or an inability to follow instructions.

Immigration officers would administer tests to them to see how everyone stacked up.

If I may, I must dissent; I find that banning individuals on the autism spectrum from entering the country to be (in layman's terms) not very cash money of the government.

[Kowani]

Not true, Buddhists were classified as people of book. So were Hindus

Where did you come up with that nonsense?!?

Not bad.
I swear, the greatest enemies of Muslims are Muslims themselves.

Why do you say that?

Since Allah isn’t about to send down an army of Angels, and no Muslim State has an army worth shit, if you want to spread to other countries, you have to convince people. You can’t do that if you admit from the start that you wish to eradicate every other religion.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Where did you come up with that nonsense?!?


Why do you say that?

Since Allah isn’t about to send down an army of Angels, and no Muslim State has an army worth shit, if you want to spread to other countries, you have to convince people. You can’t do that if you admit from the start that you wish to eradicate every other religion.

Where did he say that?

[Bear Stearns]

People with mental illness. I believe at the time it was enforced, it mostly referred to autism, Down Syndrome, low IQ, or an inability to follow instructions.

Immigration officers would administer tests to them to see how everyone stacked up.

If I may, I must dissent; I find that banning individuals on the autism spectrum from entering the country to be (in layman's terms) not very cash money of the government.

You can make a moral case against it, I suppose, but you can also make a materialist argument in favor of it.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Not true, Buddhists were classified as people of book. So were Hindus

Where did you come up with that nonsense?!?

It's not nonsense, it's historical fact. Hanafi madhab classified Hindus, Jains and Buddhists as people of the book based on their having religious scripturrd, following a prior precedent set for Zoroastrians.

[Hanafuridake]

I disagree with Al Mumtahanah, "religious freedom" is a western secular (aka atheist) concept which is alien to and non-existent in Islam (as it should be).

A Muslim state has no need for 'religious freedom" and Muslim relationships with unbelievers is governed by scripture. God (swt) had already layed out for us how to govern and how to behave, musings of unbelievers are irrelevant.

Charming, but considering you've stated in the past that you're LGBTQ+, I can look forward to seeing you headless in the afterlife like me in the event that your ideal state is achieved.

[Kowani]

Since Allah isn’t about to send down an army of Angels, and no Muslim State has an army worth shit, if you want to spread to other countries, you have to convince people. You can’t do that if you admit from the start that you wish to eradicate every other religion.

Where did he say that?

Say what?

[Nakena]

It is perfectly rational. Why shouldn't we be picky?

It is entirely rational. Ultimatively it does depends on decisions of the political leadership based on what kind of immigration is desireable and what objectives, policies and limitations are to set accordingly.

Given that theres a backlog of over 800.000 immigration/asylum(?) cases pending in the court it would make, for example, sense to reject further applications until that number has been worked down. That would be entirely reasonable and rational too.

[Al Mumtahanah]

I disagree with Al Mumtahanah, "religious freedom" is a western secular (aka atheist) concept which is alien to and non-existent in Islam (as it should be).

A Muslim state has no need for 'religious freedom" and Muslim relationships with unbelievers is governed by scripture. God (swt) had already layed out for us how to govern and how to behave, musings of unbelievers are irrelevant.

Charming, but considering you've stated in the past that you're LGBTQ+, I can look forward to seeing you headless in the afterlife like me in the event that your ideal state is achieved.

Anyone put to death for sodomy is pardoned in the afterlife.

[Nakena]

I disagree with Al Mumtahanah, "religious freedom" is a western secular (aka atheist) concept which is alien to and non-existent in Islam (as it should be).

A Muslim state has no need for 'religious freedom" and Muslim relationships with unbelievers is governed by scripture. God (swt) had already layed out for us how to govern and how to behave, musings of unbelievers are irrelevant.

Charming, but considering you've stated in the past that you're LGBTQ+, I can look forward to seeing you headless in the afterlife like me in the event that your ideal state is achieved.

Which really makes me think why some people choose Islam. Literally the worst option there as we have learned in the past weeks.

[Bear Stearns]

It is perfectly rational. Why shouldn't we be picky?

It is entirely rational. Ultimatively it does depends on decisions of the political leadership based on what kind of immigration is desireable and what objectives, policies and limitations are to set accordingly.

Given that theres a backlog of over 800.000 immigration/asylum(?) cases pending in the court it would make, for example, sense to reject further applications until that number has been worked down. That would be entirely reasonable and rational too.

youre a nazi

[Al Mumtahanah]

Where did he say that?

Say what?

That non Muslims should be eradicated? Truthfully Islam doesn't preach this and it was not the policy under the Rashidun Caliphate.

[Cappuccina]

Where did you come up with that nonsense?!?


Why do you say that?

Since Allah isn’t about to send down an army of Angels, and no Muslim State has an army worth shit, if you want to spread to other countries, you have to convince people. You can’t do that if you admit from the start that you wish to eradicate every other religion.

When did I say anything about "spreading to other countries"?!?

Convincing people to become muslim isn't the job of muslims. If you're not muslim you're not muslim, and we have instructions on how to deal with you.

[Kowani]

Say what?

That non Muslims should be eradicated? Truthfully Islam doesn't preach this and it was not the policy under the Rashidun Caliphate.

I said that other religions should be eradicated. Nothing of the believers. Which is what Cappucina said.

[North German Realm]

Charming, but considering you've stated in the past that you're LGBTQ+, I can look forward to seeing you headless in the afterlife like me in the event that your ideal state is achieved.

Which really makes me think why some people choose Islam. Literally the worst option there as we have learned in the past weeks.

Few become Muslim through studying Islam. People get enticed into it. Money from proselytizing countries planning on using them as poster boys helps, for example.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Since Allah isn’t about to send down an army of Angels, and no Muslim State has an army worth shit, if you want to spread to other countries, you have to convince people. You can’t do that if you admit from the start that you wish to eradicate every other religion.

When did I say anything about "spreading to other countries"?!?

Convincing people to become muslim isn't the job of muslims. If you're not muslim you're not muslim, and we have instructions on how to deal with you.

"It may be that Allah will bring about friendship between you and those of them whom you hold as enemies. And Allah is Powerful and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Allah forbids you not respecting those who fight you not for religion, nor drive you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly. Surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah forbids you only respecting those who fight you for religion, and drive you forth from your homes and help (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends of them; and whoever makes friends of them, these are the wrongdoers."

[Kowani]

Since Allah isn’t about to send down an army of Angels, and no Muslim State has an army worth shit, if you want to spread to other countries, you have to convince people. You can’t do that if you admit from the start that you wish to eradicate every other religion.

When did I say anything about "spreading to other countries"?!?

Convincing people to become muslim isn't the job of muslims. If you're not muslim you're not muslim, and we have instructions on how to deal with you.

Those instructions would be death, wouldn’t they.

[Al Mumtahanah]

That non Muslims should be eradicated? Truthfully Islam doesn't preach this and it was not the policy under the Rashidun Caliphate.

I said that other religions should be eradicated. Nothing of the believers. Which is what Cappucina said.

I think every Abrahamic religion feels the same.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Which really makes me think why some people choose Islam. Literally the worst option there as we have learned in the past weeks.

Few become Muslim through studying Islam. People get enticed into it. Money from proselytizing countries planning on using them as poster boys helps, for example.

Evangelism is also mostly how Christianity spreads

[Cappuccina]

I disagree with Al Mumtahanah, "religious freedom" is a western secular (aka atheist) concept which is alien to and non-existent in Islam (as it should be).

A Muslim state has no need for 'religious freedom" and Muslim relationships with unbelievers is governed by scripture. God (swt) had already layed out for us how to govern and how to behave, musings of unbelievers are irrelevant.

Charming, but considering you've stated in the past that you're LGBTQ+, I can look forward to seeing you headless in the afterlife like me in the event that your ideal state is achieved.

If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.

[North German Realm]

Few become Muslim through studying Islam. People get enticed into it. Money from proselytizing countries planning on using them as poster boys helps, for example.

Evangelism is also mostly how Christianity spreads

Sure, but that's not what was being discussed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Charming, but considering you've stated in the past that you're LGBTQ+, I can look forward to seeing you headless in the afterlife like me in the event that your ideal state is achieved.

If I were to be executed by a future Caliphate, it'd be God's (swt) will. People often only support an idealized regime in which they themselves would be
validated and accepted, I have no such expectations.

You ever think that maybe your god is kind of an ass?