Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Duhon]

It will be hard to resist internationalist businesses. Nowadays, economic globalism is being preached by nearly all institutions. Most international businesses today operate within a nearly post-nationstate framework. Currently, we are seeing a backlash towards business internationalism, but sadly most of these come either from fringe anarchist groups or authoritarian demagogues....

Unfortunately this is true. The international companies seek to replace and destroy the nation state and replace it with a world solely they control unfortunately.
Their megalomania would be insane except too many are glad to be helping them do it.

I am not against businesses at all, but they need to be put back in their place.

Do I shill for one-world government or do I not?

[Nakena]

Unfortunately this is true. The international companies seek to replace and destroy the nation state and replace it with a world solely they control unfortunately.
Their megalomania would be insane except too many are glad to be helping them do it.

I am not against businesses at all, but they need to be put back in their place.

Do I shill for one-world government or do I not?

No you dont.

[Duhon]

Do I shill for one-world government or do I not?

No you dont.

Unlike a one-world corporatocracy, a one-world government's stated mission is to serve the people, not enslave them to the free market.

[Nakena]

No you dont.

Unlike a one-world corporatocracy, a one-world government's stated mission is to serve the people, not enslave them to the free market.

An one world government would however very likely continue the current policies or being led by some kind of ideology or system of varying kinds. But whatever that would be, I am fairly certain you wouldn like it.

Specifically given that you have repeatedly doubted the notions of a Benelovent Dictatorship.

[Duhon]

Unlike a one-world corporatocracy, a one-world government's stated mission is to serve the people, not enslave them to the free market.

An one world government would however very likely continue the current policies or being led by some kind of ideology or system of varying kinds. But whatever that would be, I am fairly certain you wouldn like it.

Specifically given that you have repeatedly doubted the notions of a Benelovent Dictatorship.

Oh, I did, and I do believe that with the world as it is, simply imposing a world government is a logistical nightmare, given existential cultural questions, political ramifications, blah blah blah.

I would not, however, foreclose the possibility of a benevolent, democratic world government existing, especially to act as counterweight to multinational corporations and other international forces working for objectives other than to serve the peoples of the world.

[Fahran]

I would not, however, foreclose the possibility of a benevolent, democratic world government existing, especially to act as counterweight to multinational corporations and other international forces working for objectives other than to serve the peoples of the world.

World governments are all fun and games until it's your cultural traditions that are being legislated against. I have the sneaking suspicion, based on how the UN operates on average with regard to political and social liberty, that the tendencies of a democratic world government would be closer to those of China, India, or Saudi Arabia than to those of Germany, Sweden, or the UK.

[Nea Byzantia]

It will be hard to resist internationalist businesses. Nowadays, economic globalism is being preached by nearly all institutions. Most international businesses today operate within a nearly post-nationstate framework. Currently, we are seeing a backlash towards business internationalism, but sadly most of these come either from fringe anarchist groups or authoritarian demagogues....

Unfortunately this is true. The international companies seek to replace and destroy the nation state and replace it with a world solely they control unfortunately.
Their megalomania would be insane except too many are glad to be helping them do it.

I am not against businesses at all, but they need to be put back in their place.

And Business doesn't actually have any hard power, just soft power; they can only get away with what the State will allow them to get away with.

[Nea Byzantia]

I would not, however, foreclose the possibility of a benevolent, democratic world government existing, especially to act as counterweight to multinational corporations and other international forces working for objectives other than to serve the peoples of the world.

World governments are all fun and games until it's your cultural traditions that are being legislated against. I have the sneaking suspicion, based on how the UN operates on average with regard to political and social liberty, that the tendencies of a democratic world government would be closer to those of China, India, or Saudi Arabia than to those of Germany, Sweden, or the UK.

Which is why it wouldn't last very long...

[Nea Byzantia]

No one is born moral, people learn. Best to then foster those conditions.

It's not a guarantee, but our environment does rub off on our perceptions of the world. Being raised in a good environment with good influences and being taught good lessons is, I would say, likely to raise good people. Not a guarantee, but it's better than not trying at all.

Well we absolutely should protect rights, but protecting rights and enforcing religious morality are often mutually exclusive.

But can you really have Rights without Religious Morality?

If Man is not equal before God, and Man is not made in the Image of God, then what behooves us to treat each other with Love or Respect? If its all just about Survival of the Fittest, then on what basis do we believe in human rights or the equality of all peoples?

[Nakena]

Unfortunately this is true. The international companies seek to replace and destroy the nation state and replace it with a world solely they control unfortunately.
Their megalomania would be insane except too many are glad to be helping them do it.

I am not against businesses at all, but they need to be put back in their place.

And Business doesn't actually have any hard power, just soft power; they can only get away with what the State will allow them to get away with.

Till they grow big and strong enough to field own armies. British East India company etc.

[Nea Byzantia]

And Business doesn't actually have any hard power, just soft power; they can only get away with what the State will allow them to get away with.

Till they grow big and strong enough to field own armies. British East India company etc.

But even they were crushed, no?

[Nakena]

Till they grow big and strong enough to field own armies. British East India company etc.

But even they were crushed, no?

Company rule in India was ended because they screwed up too bigly. So the British Government assumed literally direct control over the matter.

Not unsimilar to what happened later in the Free Congo State.

[North German Realm]

Till they grow big and strong enough to field own armies. British East India company etc.

But even they were crushed, no?

British EIC wasn't "crushed". It was nationalized after its failure to appropriately deal with a local revolt -which is the one that was, indeed, crushed.

[Nea Byzantia]

But even they were crushed, no?

Company rule in India was ended because they screwed up too bigly. So the British Government assumed literally direct control over the matter.

Not unsimilar to what happened later in the Free Congo State.

True; but doesn't that still count as the State crushing the Corporation...

[Novus America]

Unfortunately this is true. The international companies seek to replace and destroy the nation state and replace it with a world solely they control unfortunately.
Their megalomania would be insane except too many are glad to be helping them do it.

I am not against businesses at all, but they need to be put back in their place.

And Business doesn't actually have any hard power, just soft power; they can only get away with what the State will allow them to get away with.

Thus historically was usual the case. The problem is the current international corporations believe they are above the state, and and bypass the state at will (which they actually can as we permit outsourcing and offshoring).

[Nea Byzantia]

And Business doesn't actually have any hard power, just soft power; they can only get away with what the State will allow them to get away with.

Thus historically was usual the case. The problem is the current international corporations believe they are above the state, and and bypass the state at will (which they actually can as we permit outsourcing and offshoring).

They need a good quashing...not to sound like a Commie...This is why we need an Autocrat...

[Novus America]

But even they were crushed, no?

British EIC wasn't "crushed". It was nationalized after its failure to appropriately deal with a local revolt -which is the one that was, indeed, crushed.

Still the state brought the corporation to heel. Which must be done to the internationals today.
They must brought to recognize the primacy of the nation and state over them.
The cancer of internationalist corporationism must be dealt with.

[Nea Byzantia]

British EIC wasn't "crushed". It was nationalized after its failure to appropriately deal with a local revolt -which is the one that was, indeed, crushed.

Still the state brought the corporation to heel. Which must be done to the internationals today.
They must brought to recognize the primacy of the nation and state over them.
The cancer of internationalist corporationism must be dealt with.

Agreed. But there's a good chance that won't happen, unfortunately...At least not in America.

[Novus America]

Well we absolutely should protect rights, but protecting rights and enforcing religious morality are often mutually exclusive.

But can you really have Rights without Religious Morality?

If Man is not equal before God, and Man is not made in the Image of God, then what behooves us to treat each other with Love or Respect? If its all just about Survival of the Fittest, then on what basis do we believe in human rights or the equality of all peoples?

Survival of the fittest recognize no rights.
And this is were Enlightenment though comes in.
The important thing is protecting rights, not the enforcement of religious rules which we do not know, understand or properly agree on anyways.

[North German Realm]

British EIC wasn't "crushed". It was nationalized after its failure to appropriately deal with a local revolt -which is the one that was, indeed, crushed.

Still the state brought the corporation to heel. Which must be done to the internationals today.
They must brought to recognize the primacy of the nation and state over them.
The cancer of internationalist corporationism must be dealt with.

The state didn't bring anything to heel. The company was crushed against a native revolt and the state was forced to come and fix up their mess. By the time they nationalized it, there was little left of the EIC.

[Nea Byzantia]

But can you really have Rights without Religious Morality?

If Man is not equal before God, and Man is not made in the Image of God, then what behooves us to treat each other with Love or Respect? If its all just about Survival of the Fittest, then on what basis do we believe in human rights or the equality of all peoples?

Survival of the fittest recognize no rights.
And this is were Enlightenment though comes in.
The important thing is protecting rights, not the enforcement of religious rules which we do not know, understand or properly agree on anyways.

But why is it important?

[Novus America]

Thus historically was usual the case. The problem is the current international corporations believe they are above the state, and and bypass the state at will (which they actually can as we permit outsourcing and offshoring).

They need a good quashing...not to sound like a Commie...This is why we need an Autocrat...

Oh they absolutely do. This is where I like third positionism, which generally permits the existence of private corporations (unlike Communism) SO LONG as the they serve the interests of the state and nation.

[Nea Byzantia]

They need a good quashing...not to sound like a Commie...This is why we need an Autocrat...

Oh they absolutely do. This is were I like third positionism, which generally permits the existence of private corporations (unlike Communism) SO LONG as the they serve the interests of the state and nation.

Same here.

[Novus America]

Survival of the fittest recognize no rights.
And this is were Enlightenment though comes in.
The important thing is protecting rights, not the enforcement of religious rules which we do not know, understand or properly agree on anyways.

But why is it important?

Because without the protection of rights it is nothing more than survival of the fittest, good material conditions are impossible and our lives will be miserable. Rights are ultimately a pragmatic, practical thing.

[Nea Byzantia]

But why is it important?

Because without the protection of rights it is nothing more than survival of the fittest, good material conditions are impossible and our lives will be miserable. It is ultimately a pragmatic, practical thing.

But that means there's no moral reason to protect human rights...so what if its more utilitarian or pragmatic for a Regime to engage in tyrannical measures and crush its citizens without caring for the people's rights; on what basis do you critique or oppose such Regimes?