Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Bear Stearns]

I'm seeing a shift in the parties coming.

Republicans will become social authoritarians and economic populists. Republicans will be more likely to break up Big Tech than Democrats will.

Democrats will remain extreme social liberals, but also become very pro-market and in favor of Corporate America and basically be the political wing of Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

And hardcore left-wingers will likely form a new party or just shut up and stick with the Democrats as they usually do.

lol at thinking the authoritarianism will only be "social"

Hardcore free-market libertarian types will likely leave the Republican Party as it becomes more protectionist and in favor of breaking up big companies.

[Novus America]

Quick question

What do you guys think of anarchism?

Not trying to start a flamewar, I'm just curious on what those on the right think.

It's not an especially effective means of governance, its philosophical justifications are often just liberalism on steroids, and it strikes me as rule by appetite.

Anarchism in theory is cute, if everyone acted in a perfectly good manner and did the right thing, and worked together voluntarily and all and everyone was well educated and sensible and all.

Obviously it has no place in the real world.

[Duhon]

lol at thinking the authoritarianism will only be "social"

Hardcore free-market libertarian types will likely leave the Republican Party as it becomes more protectionist and in favor of breaking up big companies.

Yes, but that also means the riffraff leftovers will be more into political authoritarianism, in whichever form it takes. They can't be too detached from the masses they wish to manipulate to remove any challenge to their authority, but they'll be detached alright.

[Fahran]

Snip.

I largely agree with this assessment and I wish we still had DI commenting on here since she often summarizes my perspective on such issues more tacitly and carefully than I ever could. I'm almost tempted to link a few of her posts on the subject.

Oh they are. I am not saying we ban them all (except foreign government ones perhaps).
But I do think we need to look at serious reforms to lobbyist rules and culture.
While obviously lobbying will exist, the current mess is definitely sub optimal.

I tend to agree with this as well. The difficulty arises in retaining constitutional law while implementing such reforms. It's fairly easy to run afoul of the 1st Amendment when curtailing political speech or free association of any kind. In principle, lobbyists provide specific information to elected officials who have a background suited more to general than to specific policy, though most elected officials tend to take an interest in two or three particular fields.

[Bienenhalde]

If this were a couple decades ago, nothing really.

But as of now, it's... very liberal, to be blunt. Which, on its own, probably wouldn't be such a major problem if it weren't for the cultural decay that went along with it. Chiang Kai-shek isn't very well-regarded by most of the country's youth, traditional Chinese culture is gradually dying out and the current President largely won her election because of cat videos.

It's a... decaying country, to say the least.

I think you are to hard on the modern day ROC/Taiwan. Sure, it is probably more liberal than it should be, but that is true for most places in the world nowadays. It is still far better than the communist-controlled mainland or many countries in the west. And I mean, cat videos might be a stupid reason for someone to win an election, but that is what happens when you have democracy. At least it is better than winning an election with racist, sexist, and otherwise dehumanizing memes featuring a monstrous cartoon frog. Some Trump supporters claim to be Christians, and yet rather than loving their neighbors, it seems they would rather have them tortured or even killed by a hideous frog monster. But returning to the subject of Taiwan, Cai, for all her faults, is far better at leading a nation than Trump.

[Hanafuridake]

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Wider LGBT culture is awful, yes, but homosexuals existing do not contribute to everything wrong with America.

I'm not much of a fan of modern LGBT culture (or even most liberal culture in general). Bring back warrior gays.

[Fahran]

I'm not much of a fan of modern LGBT culture (or even most liberal culture in general). Bring back warrior gays.

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[Duhon]

I'm not much of a fan of modern LGBT culture (or even most liberal culture in general). Bring back warrior gays.

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THE SACRED BAND OF THEBES SHALL FUCKING MARCH AGAIN!

[Bienenhalde]

Daily reminder that McCarthy was 110% right and there were commie spies everywhere.

Were? I am pretty sure there still are commie spies everywhere.

[Nakena]

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Wider LGBT culture is awful, yes, but homosexuals existing do not contribute to everything wrong with America.

I'm not much of a fan of modern LGBT culture (or even most liberal culture in general). Bring back warrior gays.

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[Northern Davincia]

Daily reminder that McCarthy was 110% right and there were commie spies everywhere.

Were? I am pretty sure there still are commie spies everywhere.

Yes, and we should give them no quarter in society.

[Bienenhalde]

If human nature was bad, how could we logically hold people responsible for their actions?

Depends whether you are speaking in religious or political terms. But in terms of politics, even when people are selfish and immoral, you can use punishments to discourage evil actions and rewards to encourage them to do good.

[Northern Davincia]

If this were a couple decades ago, nothing really.

But as of now, it's... very liberal, to be blunt. Which, on its own, probably wouldn't be such a major problem if it weren't for the cultural decay that went along with it. Chiang Kai-shek isn't very well-regarded by most of the country's youth, traditional Chinese culture is gradually dying out and the current President largely won her election because of cat videos.

It's a... decaying country, to say the least.

I think you are to hard on the modern day ROC/Taiwan. Sure, it is probably more liberal than it should be, but that is true for most places in the world nowadays. It is still far better than the communist-controlled mainland or many countries in the west. And I mean, cat videos might be a stupid reason for someone to win an election, but that is what happens when you have democracy. At least it is better than winning an election with racist, sexist, and otherwise dehumanizing memes featuring a monstrous cartoon frog. Some Trump supporters claim to be Christians, and yet rather than loving their neighbors, it seems they would rather have them tortured or even killed by a hideous frog monster. But returning to the subject of Taiwan, Cai, for all her faults, is far better at leading a nation than Trump.

You make this too easy. Meme culture isn't as malicious as you think.

[Bienenhalde]

I'm seeing a shift in the parties coming.

Republicans will become social authoritarians and economic populists. Republicans will be more likely to break up Big Tech than Democrats will.

Democrats will remain extreme social liberals, but also become very pro-market and in favor of Corporate America and basically be the political wing of Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

And hardcore left-wingers will likely form a new party or just shut up and stick with the Democrats as they usually do.

How can modern-day Republicans ever be decent social conservatives when they turn a blind eye the degeneracy of their own strongman president?

[Nakena]

How can modern-day Republicans ever be decent social conservatives when they turn a blind eye the degeneracy of their own strongman president?

Ridiculing and destroying the christian moral aspects of the GOP is all part of the secret master plan.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm seeing a shift in the parties coming.

Republicans will become social authoritarians and economic populists. Republicans will be more likely to break up Big Tech than Democrats will.

Democrats will remain extreme social liberals, but also become very pro-market and in favor of Corporate America and basically be the political wing of Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

And hardcore left-wingers will likely form a new party or just shut up and stick with the Democrats as they usually do.

How can modern-day Republicans ever be decent social conservatives when they turn a blind eye the degeneracy of their own strongman president?

Social authoritarian =/= Christian social conservative. The sooner the GOP stops pandering to the Evangelicals the better.

[Bienenhalde]

I think you are to hard on the modern day ROC/Taiwan. Sure, it is probably more liberal than it should be, but that is true for most places in the world nowadays. It is still far better than the communist-controlled mainland or many countries in the west. And I mean, cat videos might be a stupid reason for someone to win an election, but that is what happens when you have democracy. At least it is better than winning an election with racist, sexist, and otherwise dehumanizing memes featuring a monstrous cartoon frog. Some Trump supporters claim to be Christians, and yet rather than loving their neighbors, it seems they would rather have them tortured or even killed by a hideous frog monster. But returning to the subject of Taiwan, Cai, for all her faults, is far better at leading a nation than Trump.

You make this too easy. Meme culture isn't as malicious as you think.

Oh, I do not think meme culture in general is bad, it just has a dark, sinister underbelly, and it was that subculture of openly bigoted trolls who were glorifying Trump. I mean, I am not saying Trump is not meme-worthy at all, but the good Trump memes are those that mock him or are neutral towards him at best.

[Bienenhalde]

How can modern-day Republicans ever be decent social conservatives when they turn a blind eye the degeneracy of their own strongman president?

Social authoritarian =/= Christian social conservative. The sooner the GOP stops pandering to the Evangelicals the better.

What about Christ social conservatism, but led by high-church monarchists instead of evangelicals?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Social authoritarian =/= Christian social conservative. The sooner the GOP stops pandering to the Evangelicals the better.

What about Christ social conservatism, but led by high-church monarchists instead of evangelicals?

Fuck no lol

[Kowani]

I'm seeing a shift in the parties coming.

Republicans will become social authoritarians and economic populists. Republicans will be more likely to break up Big Tech than Democrats will.

Democrats will remain extreme social liberals, but also become very pro-market and in favor of Corporate America and basically be the political wing of Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

And hardcore left-wingers will likely form a new party or just shut up and stick with the Democrats as they usually do.

How can modern-day Republicans ever be decent social conservatives when they turn a blind eye the degeneracy of their own strongman president?

Like I said in another thread, since the 70’s the Religious Right has yet to contribute anything of value to the national discourse.

[Northern Davincia]

You make this too easy. Meme culture isn't as malicious as you think.

Oh, I do not think meme culture in general is bad, it just has a dark, sinister underbelly, and it was that subculture of openly bigoted trolls who were glorifying Trump. I mean, I am not saying Trump is not meme-worthy at all, but the good Trump memes are those that mock him or are neutral towards him at best.

Anti-Trump memes are rarely dank.

[Bienenhalde]

Oh, I do not think meme culture in general is bad, it just has a dark, sinister underbelly, and it was that subculture of openly bigoted trolls who were glorifying Trump. I mean, I am not saying Trump is not meme-worthy at all, but the good Trump memes are those that mock him or are neutral towards him at best.

Anti-Trump memes are rarely dank.

Unfortunately that does seem to be the case, but I still prefer memes that are not offensive and morally bankrupt.

[Northern Davincia]

Anti-Trump memes are rarely dank.

Unfortunately that does seem to be the case, but I still prefer memes that are not offensive and morally bankrupt.

Yeesh, offensive memes make me laugh just as much as quality clean ones do. I do not see how they are morally bankrupt.

[Genivaria]

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Wider LGBT culture is awful, yes, but homosexuals existing do not contribute to everything wrong with America.

I'm not much of a fan of modern LGBT culture (or even most liberal culture in general). Bring back warrior gays.

"WE'RE MEN! WE'RE MANLY MEN! WE'RE MEN IN TIIIIIIIGTS!"

[Bienenhalde]

Unfortunately that does seem to be the case, but I still prefer memes that are not offensive and morally bankrupt.

Yeesh, offensive memes make me laugh just as much as quality clean ones do. I do not see how they are morally bankrupt.

Well, offensiveness is subjective, but what I meant was that which is offensive to sound Christian morals. Sorry for being unclear. And while I think supporting Trump in general is morally bankrupt (unless you mean just reluctantly accepting him as a lesser evil compared to the left), many pro-Trump memes have openly promoted racism, sexism, human rights abuses, and other morally bankrupt actions and policies.