Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

My summary of your political ideas is as follows: Sir Francis Bryan.

You really think I'm some sort of rakish libertine who conforms his opinions to those of his superiors? I don't think that's true at all.

If it helps, I don't think that you're a libertine. If anything, you have a stronger moral fiber than many on this site. Although, IIRC you're a drinker? If I'm not mistaken in that regard, I find that to be mildly disappointing, although this may be because of cultural differences between Americans and the British.

[Old Tyrannia]

You really think I'm some sort of rakish libertine who conforms his opinions to those of his superiors? I don't think that's true at all.

If it helps, I don't think that you're a libertine. If anything, you have a stronger moral fiber than many on this site. Although, IIRC you're a drinker? If I'm not mistaken in that regard, I find that to be mildly disappointing, although this may be because of cultural differences between Americans and the British.

As Martin Luther said, one must sometimes sin a little to spite the devil.

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

Probably some prominent Jacobite from the 18th century.

On the surface I'd peg you as a Pitt or a Disraeli, but you've got more in common with the Tories of the Whig Supremacy than the ones who came thereafter.

Accurate. I like to compare myself to Sacheverell, although he wasn't actually a Jacobite- at least not openly. If I were transported back to the 17th century and found work as a clergyman, I likely would have been one of those nonjuring priests who were persecuted by James II and VII for opposing his religious policies only to be later persecuted by William III for refusing to renounce my loyalty to James.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You really think I'm some sort of rakish libertine who conforms his opinions to those of his superiors? I don't think that's true at all.

If it helps, I don't think that you're a libertine. If anything, you have a stronger moral fiber than many on this site. Although, IIRC you're a drinker? If I'm not mistaken in that regard, I find that to be mildly disappointing, although this may be because of cultural differences between Americans and the British.

Drinking is fine in moderation according to Christianity iirc.

[Totally Not OEP]

I do agree with OEP on Warren. Her economics are pretty solid but she's god awful on everything else.

Literally this.

[Old Tyrannia]

If it helps, I don't think that you're a libertine. If anything, you have a stronger moral fiber than many on this site. Although, IIRC you're a drinker? If I'm not mistaken in that regard, I find that to be mildly disappointing, although this may be because of cultural differences between Americans and the British.

Drinking is fine in moderation according to Christianity iirc.

Technically it's mandated by most denominations.

Although depending on your eucharistic theology, it may actually be blood you're drinking.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Drinking is fine in moderation according to Christianity iirc.

Technically it's mandated by most denominations.

Although depending on your eucharistic theology, it may actually be blood you're drinking.

I mean, thank goodness I'm not a Christian, then; alcohol causes intoxication- a drastic reduction in the virtue of prudence. Why anyone would want to lose their prudence, even temporarily, is beyond me.

[Old Tyrannia]

Technically it's mandated by most denominations.

Although depending on your eucharistic theology, it may actually be blood you're drinking.

I mean, thank goodness I'm not a Christian, then; alcohol causes intoxication- a drastic reduction in the virtue of prudence. Why anyone would want to lose their prudence, even temporarily, is beyond me.

You'd have to be an ultra-lightweight in order to get even slightly drunk from taking communion.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I mean, thank goodness I'm not a Christian, then; alcohol causes intoxication- a drastic reduction in the virtue of prudence. Why anyone would want to lose their prudence, even temporarily, is beyond me.

You'd have to be an ultra-lightweight in order to get even slightly drunk from taking communion.

I mean, I was more referring to how alcohol consumption is morally permitted by most denominations. I frown upon alcohol consumption, as you may have been able to guess.

[Novus America]

You'd have to be an ultra-lightweight in order to get even slightly drunk from taking communion.

I mean, I was more referring to how alcohol consumption is morally permitted by most denominations. I frown upon alcohol consumption, as you may have been able to guess.

Well just because it is permitted does not mean you have to.
A religion does not have to have rules that exactly conform to your lifestyle, as long as they do not conflict with it too much.

Anyways most churches do not require you to drink the wine, you can just take the bread.
In every church I have seen most people skip the wine.

[Salus Maior]

Technically it's mandated by most denominations.

Although depending on your eucharistic theology, it may actually be blood you're drinking.

I mean, thank goodness I'm not a Christian, then; alcohol causes intoxication- a drastic reduction in the virtue of prudence. Why anyone would want to lose their prudence, even temporarily, is beyond me.

I mean, you don't have to drink either.

You don't even have to drink the communion wine if you really don't want to. Even though it's literally just a sip.

[Greater Adamsia]

But seriously, why do other people like intoxication? Apparently it's "fun" or something? It seems more "horrifying" by my reckoning.

[Salus Maior]

But seriously, why do other people like intoxication? Apparently it's "fun" or something? It seems more "horrifying" by my reckoning.

The only time I think I was intoxicated was with a buddy of mine after I went through a hard breakup. I'm pretty sure I was only buzzed, but it helped me get everything out.

[Kowani]

But seriously, why do other people like intoxication? Apparently it's "fun" or something? It seems more "horrifying" by my reckoning.

Many people enjoy the sensation. Additionally, there’s a social element. And on occasion, the opportunity to block out the world is helpful.

[Novus America]

But seriously, why do other people like intoxication? Apparently it's "fun" or something? It seems more "horrifying" by my reckoning.

I personally do not know. I was given Oxycodone after my wisdom teeth were removed (this was back when they gave it out like candy) and it was horrible.

I flushed it after using it one day.

But it is mostly I think for people who have trouble with their own thoughts.
They do it so they can temporarily forget or drown out thoughts of their problems.
Of course it fixes nothing long term, it is basically used as a mental painkiller I think.

[Bienenhalde]

I was wondering the same question, actually. What with the whole "society ought to conform to a moral order that transcends the mere whims of the self" bit.

I would consider you a bit ideological and quasi-liberal compared to most of the traditionalists I've read and met, specifically because of how a good many of your policy decisions are derived. Honestly, I'm not certain you can fit into any political box all that easily - you Mohist-Kantian person, you.

I would not call him liberal, per se...Liberalism implies individualism. I would call Swaglord a progressive, positivist, or utopian socialist.

[Greater Adamsia]

I would consider you a bit ideological and quasi-liberal compared to most of the traditionalists I've read and met, specifically because of how a good many of your policy decisions are derived. Honestly, I'm not certain you can fit into any political box all that easily - you Mohist-Kantian person, you.

I would not call him liberal, per se...Liberalism implies individualism. I would call Swaglord a progressive, positivist, or utopian socialist.

Utopian socialist might be the best term... if it wasn't for the fact that the utopian socialists were largely consigned to brief mentions in history textbooks after Marx became big.

If only Saint-Simon became big instead...

[Bienenhalde]

I never read books, I just read about stuff on Wikipedia then bluff my way through arguments.

Yeah, I think I really ought to spend more time reading books, but I keep getting distracted by stuff on the internet.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

All this tells me is that I'm the reincarnation of Ikki Kita. I already knew that. :P

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

Insufferably Anglican, but I’d say that as a Catholic.

[Salus Maior]

All this tells me is that I'm the reincarnation of Ikki Kita. I already knew that. :P

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I mean, thank goodness I'm not a Christian, then; alcohol causes intoxication- a drastic reduction in the virtue of prudence. Why anyone would want to lose their prudence, even temporarily, is beyond me.

You'd have to be an ultra-lightweight in order to get even slightly drunk from taking communion.

Depends how many people take communion in the congregation. A friend of mine is an altar server, and one time they had most of the congregation at a large church not take communion for whatever reason, so he and the priest (being the only people behind the altar over 21) had to drink all of the wine from a very large chalice.

[Novus America]

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

I mean the 1600s were grimdark and metal many places, but they did have style.

[Novus America]

A fascinating perspective on how history is the last Civil War veteran died in 1956.
Imagine what it would have been like to live through that amount of change.

[The Liberated Territories]

All this tells me is that I'm the reincarnation of Ikki Kita. I already knew that. :P

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

Something like a typical British one-nation conservative, I reckon. Perhaps more socially liberal than most but with a reverence for the "old traditions."

[Washington Resistance Army]

A while back I brought up Francis Parker Yockey and Imperium and I figured it would be prudent to now ask how do you all feel about the man who inspired him, Oswald Spengler? For a few years now I've had a vague understandings of his writings but I've been diving a bit more into them as of late and I'm rather impressed by the mans thoughts. Whilst I haven't read The Decline of the West in full yet (cuz reading books online melts my eyes and I much prefer them in physical form) I've still enjoyed what I've read thus far. I wouldn't say I agree with every single thing he put on paper but some of it definitely seems prophetic.

[Conserative Morality]

A while back I brought up Francis Parker Yockey and Imperium and I figured it would be prudent to now ask how do you all feel about the man who inspired him, Oswald Spengler? For a few years now I've had a vague understandings of his writings but I've been diving a bit more into them as of late and I'm rather impressed by the mans thoughts. Whilst I haven't read The Decline of the West in full yet (cuz reading books online melts my eyes and I much prefer them in physical form) I've still enjoyed what I've read thus far. I wouldn't say I agree with every single thing he put on paper but some of it definitely seems prophetic.

Spengler is certainly a fascinating read, and has some excellent insights into the nature of social relations and culture.