Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Western ultranats have done nothing wrong. I actually respect those who want an ethnoglobe and genocide of all non-ingroup members even though I hope and believe they will be deterred for it is a perfectly normal line of thought.

I don't think you understand or appreciate how aberrant and unusual genocide has been throughout human history. The nation-state is a lot more modern than your logic seems to suggest and systematically destroying other ethnic groups in an industrialized manner is something that would have been largely incomprehensible to many before the late nineteenth century.

Also... y'know... genocide requires mass murder kind of by definition, IIRC. And that's terrible.

[Old Tyrannia]

We Ahmadis have a central religious authority within our Khalifat of Mirza Masroor Ahmad. And our community forbids jihad against any government that allows us to practice our faith and if they give us refuge from oppressive nations. Our founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed to be the Messiah and Mahdi forbade his followers from rising up against the British Raj in India because they allowed us to practice our faith so what's the point in kicking out the British? While the British of course had their imperialist ambitions, taking resources from their colonies, they did make India better with less division and peaceful coexistence between the Muslims and Hindus as well as the Christians.

Yes, I agree. Extremists shouldn't be welcomed in any western country. Especially when we ahmadis try to flee from them. Their mosques should heavily monitored for hate speech and if they're up to anything suspicious.

If I remember correctly the Ahmadi caliphate is actually formally based in the United Kingdom- your present leader being one of at least two leaders of major Islamic sects based in the UK, the other being the Aga Khan as leader of Nizari Isma'ili Shi'a Islam. I have a lot of time for both those denominations. I had a good friend here on NS who was a Nizari, Greater Tezdrian. That having been said, I still have criticisms of those branches of Islam; I'm just less hostile towards them than I am towards Salafis, for example.

[Fahran]

I mean, I've been described by one of my more... left-leaning acquaintances as a "crypto-fascist cultural imperialist" so perhaps I should describe myself as that?

Leftists are very bad at distinguishing what is fascist and what isn't fascist. You're definitely not a fascist, and you're only an imperialist in so far as the Jacobins were imperialists, namely you desire to spread your ideology abroad. I'd describe you as an advocate for a sort of secularized theology to be frank, but that's only because I'm being amenable to Schmitt at the moment.

Granted, they were probably poking fun at my views with that statement, so I'm not quite sure that it's a good idea. I do concur that classifying me according to "normal" or "standard" ideological boundaries is... difficult to say the least. The only thing that people seem to agree on is a general opposition to individualism.

You're somehow less individualistic than me, but then my reading of Buber, Augustine, and a few others means that I'm bound to be somewhat individualistic about a few things.

Also... y'know... genocide requires mass murder kind of by definition, IIRC. And that's terrible.

Yes, that goes without saying honestly. It's summer on NS again.

[Jolthig]

We Ahmadis have a central religious authority within our Khalifat of Mirza Masroor Ahmad. And our community forbids jihad against any government that allows us to practice our faith and if they give us refuge from oppressive nations. Our founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed to be the Messiah and Mahdi forbade his followers from rising up against the British Raj in India because they allowed us to practice our faith so what's the point in kicking out the British? While the British of course had their imperialist ambitions, taking resources from their colonies, they did make India better with less division and peaceful coexistence between the Muslims and Hindus as well as the Christians.

Yes, I agree. Extremists shouldn't be welcomed in any western country. Especially when we ahmadis try to flee from them. Their mosques should heavily monitored for hate speech and if they're up to anything suspicious.

If I remember correctly the Ahmadi caliphate is actually formally based in the United Kingdom- your present leader being one of at least two leaders of major Islamic sects based in the UK, the other being the Aga Khan as leader of Nizari Isma'ili Shi'a Islam. I have a lot of time for both those denominations. I had a good friend here on NS who was a Nizari, Greater Tezdrian. That having been said, I still have criticisms of those branches of Islam; I'm just less hostile towards them than I am towards Salafis, for example.

Maybe one of these days we can discuss those criticisms. But yeah, I've been to your country too to meet my Caliph two years ago. The UK is a pretty nice country.

[Hanafuridake]

Most of my reading and plundering of arguments has been from a book and commentary on the Gomo Jigi. The book is probably the closest I have to a political and philosophical Bible, although I disagree with the anti-Buddhist and anti-Daoist statements made throughout the text.

[Old Tyrannia]

I never read books, I just read about stuff on Wikipedia then bluff my way through arguments.

[Hanafuridake]

I never read books, I just read about stuff on Wikipedia then bluff my way through arguments.

In other words, you're a master of Parkus-ing.

God bless him though.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I mean, I've been described by one of my more... left-leaning acquaintances as a "crypto-fascist cultural imperialist" so perhaps I should describe myself as that?

Leftists are very bad at distinguishing what is fascist and what isn't fascist. You're definitely not a fascist, and you're only an imperialist in so far as the Jacobins were imperialists, namely you desire to spread your ideology abroad. I'd describe you as an advocate for a sort of secularized theology to be frank, but that's only because I'm being amenable to Schmitt at the moment.

Granted, they were probably poking fun at my views with that statement, so I'm not quite sure that it's a good idea. I do concur that classifying me according to "normal" or "standard" ideological boundaries is... difficult to say the least. The only thing that people seem to agree on is a general opposition to individualism.

You're somehow less individualistic than me, but then my reading of Buber, Augustine, and a few others means that I'm bound to be somewhat individualistic about a few things.

Also... y'know... genocide requires mass murder kind of by definition, IIRC. And that's terrible.

Yes, that goes without saying honestly. It's summer on NS again.

I mean, I've been described as having the temperament of an "atheist monk" in the past by one of my acquaintances. I felt the need to correct them, however, since I'm a deist, not an atheist. And unlike some of the other irreligious posters here, I recognize the contributions made to the Western philosophical tradition made by religious philosophers. In particular, I find that the concepts of universal benevolence (I believe the term is "agape", perhaps?) and human (or in a broader sense, sapient beings) dignity hold water, even in non-Abrahamic metaphysical scenarios. And since it is the state's moral duty to ensure that the citizenry are moral as well, I guess "secular theocracy" would work, maybe. Of course, the famous quote by C.S. Lewis applies; I've posted it before, but the general gist of it is that a robber baron is perhaps better to live under than a totalitarian moral busybody, since the busybody would torment one with the approval of their conscience. The theocrat may be slightly more likely to make it into heaven, but they turn Earth into a hell, mistaking their whims for the will of God (or whatever higher power/ideology/philosophy they serve). But I digress.

[Conserative Morality]

I never read books, I just read about stuff on Wikipedia then bluff my way through arguments.

W-Wikipedia is a great source when you c-can't find books with expired copyrights online for free.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I never read books, I just read about stuff on Wikipedia then bluff my way through arguments.

In other words, you're a master of Parkus-ing.

God bless him though.

Despite our disagreements, hopefully he has found some peace after the passing of his brother.

[Totally Not OEP]

In terms of Economics, I'm finding Elizabeth Warren to be okay from my own outlook on that particular sector of Rightist thought.

[Hanafuridake]

In other words, you're a master of Parkus-ing.

God bless him though.

Despite our disagreements, hopefully he has found some peace after the passing of his brother.

Yeah, I hope he managed to enter the monastery he wanted.

[Fahran]

Despite our disagreements, hopefully he has found some peace after the passing of his brother.

Yeah, I hope he managed to enter the monastery he wanted.

I hope so as well.

[Jolthig]

I never read books, I just read about stuff on Wikipedia then bluff my way through arguments.

I just told Amin this last night: Articles aren't enough. You gotta read books to argue more efficiently.

But then again, I too use wikipedia for my history but I've also got my books.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I never read books, I just read about stuff on Wikipedia then bluff my way through arguments.

I just told Amin this last night: Articles aren't enough. You gotta read books to argue more efficiently.

But then again, I too use wikipedia for my history but I've also got my books.

Wikipedia is a treasure trove of readily-available information, but books are better; Wikipedia is somewhat generalist, but most of the time it serves as a great introduction to topics. I recommend looking in the citations/references section of Wikipedia articles for further in-depth looks into topics.

[Hanafuridake]

Would you consider me a traditional conservative under this definition?

Plausibly. You're a weird eclectic blend of traditionalist and Buddhist nationalist from what I've seen, albeit these strands of thought occasionally overlap with social liberalism in your philosophy as well.

All this tells me is that I'm the reincarnation of Ikki Kita. I already knew that. :P

[Washington Resistance Army]

I do agree with OEP on Warren. Her economics are pretty solid but she's god awful on everything else.

[Old Tyrannia]

Plausibly. You're a weird eclectic blend of traditionalist and Buddhist nationalist from what I've seen, albeit these strands of thought occasionally overlap with social liberalism in your philosophy as well.

All this tells me is that I'm the reincarnation of Ikki Kita. I already knew that. :P

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Also... y'know... genocide requires mass murder kind of by definition, IIRC. And that's terrible.

Yes, that goes without saying honestly. It's summer on NS again.

I mean, the best we can do is try to raise the standard of discourse on this website. Through civility and cordiality, we might be able to reform trolls into functioning and erudite members of the community. I dunno though, maybe I'm just an optimist in this regard.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

All this tells me is that I'm the reincarnation of Ikki Kita. I already knew that. :P

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

You seem to be less anti-individualistic and/or collectivist (or would communitarian work better?) than me, but then again most people here seem to be as well.

[Fahran]

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

My summary of your political ideas is as follows: Sir Francis Bryan.

[Jolthig]

I just told Amin this last night: Articles aren't enough. You gotta read books to argue more efficiently.

But then again, I too use wikipedia for my history but I've also got my books.

Wikipedia is a treasure trove of readily-available information, but books are better; Wikipedia is somewhat generalist, but most of the time it serves as a great introduction to topics. I recommend looking in the citations/references section of Wikipedia articles for further in-depth looks into topics.

I do. I've learned that in school and since I've become more intellectually interested in the books then past few years, I've really dug into those.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

My summary of your political ideas is as follows: Sir Francis Bryan.

You really think I'm some sort of rakish libertine who conforms his opinions to those of his superiors? I don't think that's true at all.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

All this tells me is that I'm the reincarnation of Ikki Kita. I already knew that. :P

I'm sort of interested in hearing how other RWDT regulars would describe my philosophical/political outlook based on what they know of me, but perhaps I've been too ready to provide labels for myself for anyone to bother.

Probably some prominent Jacobite from the 18th century.

On the surface I'd peg you as a Pitt or a Disraeli, but you've got more in common with the Tories of the Whig Supremacy than the ones who came thereafter.

[Jolthig]

Basically here's the summary of my views (and my views constantly change the more I get informed in certain subjects):

• I base my platform from Ahmadiyya especially its founder and his successors.
• My arguments are derived from what I have read of my sources and the sciences behind them
• I am pragmatic on politics and I support whatever is most reasonable so as long as it's in the framework of the Quran and Sunnah
• The Quran and Sunnah alongside the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is where I base my moral, and spiritual philosophies from