Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Nakena]

Aggressive political protests should not be conducted at or nearby public schools. The egg throwers should be fined accordingly.

[Hanafuridake]

Aggressive political protests should not be conducted at or nearby public schools. The egg throwers should be fined accordingly.

Throwing eggs at children seems like it crosses the line into assault, which shouldn't just be punished by fining.

[Nea Byzantia]

No. But I'm not in favour of having them indoctrinate kids into that kind of lifestyle, either...

I have news for you. We gays have as many different lifestyles as straight people do. Children learning that LGBTQ+ people exist is not indoctrinating them into anything and considering your own beliefs, I'd consider accusations of indoctrination quite ironic.

They know you exist...You have an entire month to make it obvious...Gays are not exactly in hiding in the West; if the kids are curious about it, they can look into it when they're older - but to indoctrinate them when they're so young and impressionable is wrong; and I don't have to tolerate that.

[Nakena]

Aggressive political protests should not be conducted at or nearby public schools. The egg throwers should be fined accordingly.

Throwing eggs at children seems like it crosses the line into assault, which shouldn't just be punished by fining.

Indeed. A more harsher punishment might be merited. What would you suggest?

[Hanafuridake]

I have news for you. We gays have as many different lifestyles as straight people do. Children learning that LGBTQ+ people exist is not indoctrinating them into anything and considering your own beliefs, I'd consider accusations of indoctrination quite ironic.

They know you exist...You have an entire month to make it obvious...Gays are not exactly in hiding in the West; if the kids are curious about it, they can look into it when they're older - but to indoctrinate them when they're so young and impressionable is wrong; and I don't have to tolerate that.

Gay pride month is an American and not a British one, and even then, what kind of nonsensical logic is this. It's like saying that black history month in America means that we can safely ignore the issue of racism and discrimination. There are students in many schools who are LGBTQ+ or have same sex parents, many still suffer from bullying from this, so it's within the school's rights to teach about tolerance.

The same line of argument that you're using against the school can be turned against the protestors, considering they're going to raise their children to think that gays and transgender people are abnormal. Should we ban parents making their children go to mosque (or even church) since they're being indoctrinated at a young and impressionable age?

Throwing eggs at children seems like it crosses the line into assault, which shouldn't just be punished by fining.

Indeed. A more harsher punishment might be merited. What would you suggest?

Some level of prison time.

[Jolthig]

They know you exist...You have an entire month to make it obvious...Gays are not exactly in hiding in the West; if the kids are curious about it, they can look into it when they're older - but to indoctrinate them when they're so young and impressionable is wrong; and I don't have to tolerate that.

Gay pride month is an American and not a British one, and even then, what kind of nonsensical logic is this. It's like saying that black history month in America means that we can safely ignore the issue of racism and discrimination. There are students in many schools who are LGBTQ+ or have same sex parents, many still suffer from bullying from this, so it's within the school's rights to teach about tolerance.

The same line of argument that you're using against the school can be turned against the protestors, considering they're going to raise their children to think that gays and transgender people are abnormal. Should we ban parents making their children go to mosque (or even church) since they're being indoctrinated at a young and impressionable age?

Indeed. A more harsher punishment might be merited. What would you suggest?

Some level of prison time.

No Muslim should bully anyone anyway as it signifies arrogance in someone and it goes against the Islamic concept of humility.

[Napkizemlja]

Even outside of that, they're protesting in front of schools, a bunch of angry adults waving around signs is an easy way to scare a child. Do you hate gays so much that intimidating schoolchildren is cool?

No. But I'm not in favour of having them indoctrinate kids into that kind of lifestyle, either...

They've sanctioned violence towards homosexuals and were noticeably quiet when it came to downgrading wife beating in terms of criminal punishment. The ROC has a rot within it and has since the Soviet times.

Also, something like 7% of Russians attend church weekly which is lower than most Western countries.

[Nakena]

Gay pride month is an American and not a British one, and even then, what kind of nonsensical logic is this. It's like saying that black history month in America means that we can safely ignore the issue of racism and discrimination. There are students in many schools who are LGBTQ+ or have same sex parents, many still suffer from bullying from this, so it's within the school's rights to teach about tolerance.

The same line of argument that you're using against the school can be turned against the protestors, considering they're going to raise their children to think that gays and transgender people are abnormal. Should we ban parents making their children go to mosque (or even church) since they're being indoctrinated at a young and impressionable age?

Some level of prison time.

No Muslim should bully anyone anyway as it signifies arrogance in someone and it goes against the Islamic concept of humility.

Salafists on the british isles aren't known for their restraints when it comes to aggressive and disorderly conduct in public.

[Nea Byzantia]

They've sanctioned violence towards homosexuals and were noticeably quiet when it came to downgrading wife beating in terms of criminal punishment. The ROC has a rot within it and has since the Soviet times.

This is news to me...Can you provide any sources?

Also, something like 7% of Russians attend church weekly which is lower than most Western countries.

I've also never heard this one before...Can you provide sources for this statistic?

[Nakena]

No. But I'm not in favour of having them indoctrinate kids into that kind of lifestyle, either...

They've sanctioned violence towards homosexuals and were noticeably quiet when it came to downgrading wife beating in terms of criminal punishment. The ROC has a rot within it and has since the Soviet times.

Also, something like 7% of Russians attend church weekly which is lower than most Western countries.

Actually spouse beating has been legalized by Putin, with horrifying results.

[Nea Byzantia]

They've sanctioned violence towards homosexuals and were noticeably quiet when it came to downgrading wife beating in terms of criminal punishment. The ROC has a rot within it and has since the Soviet times.

Also, something like 7% of Russians attend church weekly which is lower than most Western countries.

Actually spouse beating has been legalized by Putin, with horrifying results.

Really? Which law is it that allows spouse-beating?

[Nakena]

Actually spouse beating has been legalized by Putin, with horrifying results.

Really? Which law is it that allows spouse-beating?

Moscow Times:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/12/ ... its-a63688

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/ ... d0498c8d56

[Nea Byzantia]

Really? Which law is it that allows spouse-beating?

Moscow Times:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/12/ ... its-a63688

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/ ... d0498c8d56

Damn...I was not aware of this. Thanks for the info.

[Napkizemlja]

Moscow Times:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/12/ ... its-a63688

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/ ... d0498c8d56

Damn...I was not aware of this. Thanks for the info.

And this is religious attendance and observance. https://www.pewforum.org/2017/05/10/religious-commitment-and-practices/

And here is another of our brothers, and a former priest, on his views about the Church's role in all of this https://orthodoxyindialogue.com/2018/02/10/on-orthodox-wife-beating-by-giacomo-sanfilippo/

[Nea Byzantia]

Damn...I was not aware of this. Thanks for the info.

And this is religious attendance and observance. https://www.pewforum.org/2017/05/10/religious-commitment-and-practices/

And here is another of our brothers, and a former priest, on his views about the Church's role in all of this https://orthodoxyindialogue.com/2018/02/10/on-orthodox-wife-beating-by-giacomo-sanfilippo/

Thank you for these...I will look into them.

[Jolthig]

No Muslim should bully anyone anyway as it signifies arrogance in someone and it goes against the Islamic concept of humility.

Salafists on the british isles aren't known for their restraints when it comes to aggressive and disorderly conduct in public.

So I've heard. They also threaten us ahmadis. In that case, those who are migrants, should be expelled, and those who are legally immigrants should be heavily monitored.

We ahmadis flee from those people but they also come as well.

[Nea Byzantia]

Salafists on the british isles aren't known for their restraints when it comes to aggressive and disorderly conduct in public.

So I've heard. They also threaten us ahmadis. In that case, those who are migrants, should be expelled, and those who are legally immigrants should be heavily monitored.

We ahmadis flee from those people but they also come as well.

What's the difference between an ahmadi and a salafi?

[Bear Stearns]

:? If I may, as a relative outsider to the Christian faith (Full disclosure since I'm morally obligated to be honest: I was raised Catholic, albeit my parents weren't particularly devout), having this much conflict (including and especially violent conflict) over theological matters seems... erm... would "foolish" work in context? I'm not trying to be boorish and uncouth, of course, but I'm curious as to why y'all bicker over such matters, y'know?

It's not theological. It is entirely political. The Catholic Church is a political organization first and foremost and many people resented its control. The theological arguments provided justification for separation from it.

[Jolthig]

So I've heard. They also threaten us ahmadis. In that case, those who are migrants, should be expelled, and those who are legally immigrants should be heavily monitored.

We ahmadis flee from those people but they also come as well.

What's the difference between an ahmadi and a salafi?

An Ahmadi believes that Mirza GHULAM Ahmad, the founder of Ahmadiyya to be the messiah and Mahdi. Like the salafists, we are a reformist group. However, the salafists reject us and some seek to persecute us as they do in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

[Bear Stearns]

So I've heard. They also threaten us ahmadis. In that case, those who are migrants, should be expelled, and those who are legally immigrants should be heavily monitored.

We ahmadis flee from those people but they also come as well.

What's the difference between an ahmadi and a salafi?

A mitzvah catching a baseball!

[Salus Maior]

So I've heard. They also threaten us ahmadis. In that case, those who are migrants, should be expelled, and those who are legally immigrants should be heavily monitored.

We ahmadis flee from those people but they also come as well.

What's the difference between an ahmadi and a salafi?

Ahmadis are pacifist iirc, and salafists are basically Islamic Puritans with a penchant for violence.

[Salus Maior]

"By not being discriminatory bigots, they've forsaken a being that we have no proof exists"
Did you know I'm a atheist!

If you are an atheist, why do you care about doctrine?

And obviously we do believe in God, and we don't particularly care that you don't.

[Salus Maior]

Handfuls of underground Catholic Priests and communities were going to overthrow the state?

That was explicitly their goal, yes- and given that they almost murdered most of the royal family and the whole of Parliament, they clearly weren't as harmless as you clam.

And at least I am willing to say what the Catholic Church did to heretics was wrong. And here you are claiming Catholicism is evil and that you'd be even more ruthless in persecuting religious minorities?

If I were an insecure Renaissance era monarch facing the prospect of assassination or rebellion by a segment of my kingdom's population who saw me as illegitimate and had ties to my enemies abroad, then yes, I would deal with them harshly if necessary. Elizabeth I attempted, early in her reign, to show unofficial tolerance to the Catholics under her rule and she received no gratitude for it. A monarch's first duty is to ensure the security of the realm, and the Roman Catholic church made itself an open threat to that security.

Considering the persecution of Catholics I really don't blame the conspirators of the Black Powder plot for wanting to kill the perpetrators of said persecution. And considering there were only 13 members of said plot, I don't think you can really place the blame on the entirety of British Catholicism for that.

Unless you also have some unspoken opinions on modern Britain's minorities and terror attacks and their harsh political statements?

[Jolthig]

What's the difference between an ahmadi and a salafi?

Ahmadis are pacifist iirc, and salafists are basically Islamic Puritans with a penchant for violence.

Yeah, we forbid jihad to be waged against governments that dont oppress muslims and since we have the ability to migrate to countries that allow us to practice our beliefs.

Not all salafists are violent but they do have strict views.

[Salus Maior]

Ahmadis are pacifist iirc, and salafists are basically Islamic Puritans with a penchant for violence.

Yeah, we forbid jihad to be waged against governments that dont oppress muslims and since we have the ability to migrate to countries that allow us to practice our beliefs.

Not all salafists are violent but they do have strict views.

Sure, but it's worth mentioning that most Islamic terrorism has its origins in Salafism.