Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well see if you stopped slandering us as hedonists and spouting absolute bollocks about what we believe maybe just maybe we would be a tad less hostile to the likes of you. And i know your religion well enough, i used to be part of it, and ive read large parts of the bible and the gospel.

Also im from Northern Ireland, Christianity has caused more than its own share of problems here, including denying people the right to marry and to donate fucking blood. And helping persecute my own fucking family because they happen to be of the wrong fucking sect of it.


Get of your fucking self appointed high horse.

Alternatively, you could trade in the horse for a hippogriff and fly even higher.

Hippogryphs are awesome and everyone should have them.

unfortunately they arnt real.

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

i agree the lavender mafia and all its cronies need to be defrocked and burned at the stake.

[Hanafuridake]

Atheism always usually turns into this quasi teenage angst rebellion against their parent (God).

[United Muscovite Nations]

Atheism has no unified expression. You have atheists that are nihilists, egoists, but you also have atheists who essentially follow the basic precepts of Christian behavior due to the influence of Christianity on Western thought.

[Salus Maior]

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

i agree the lavender mafia and all its cronies need to be defrocked and burned at the stake.

Can we not burn people at the stake?

Defrocking/Excommunicating them is enough.

[Hanafuridake]

Atheism has no unified expression. You have atheists that are nihilists, egoists, but you also have atheists who essentially follow the basic precepts of Christian behavior due to the influence of Christianity on Western thought.

You have atheists who follow completely new philosophies completely unlike previous ones.

See: Friedrich Nietzsche, Benito Mussolini, Giovanni Gentile, etc.

[Old Tyrannia]

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

i agree the lavender mafia and all its cronies need to be defrocked and burned at the stake.

Putting aside the implied homophobia in your response, are you really saying that the current pope and pope emeritus should be defrocked and burned at the stake? Both were involved in covering up evidence of child abuse by the church.

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

i agree the lavender mafia and all its cronies need to be defrocked and burned at the stake.

Can we not burn people at the stake?

Defrocking/Excommunicating them is enough.

True true.

Just getting sick of it all especially with the recent allegations towards "Cardinal" Bernardin.

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

i agree the lavender mafia and all its cronies need to be defrocked and burned at the stake.

Putting aside the implied homophobia in your response, are you really saying that the current pope and pope emeritus should be defrocked and burned at the stake? Both were involved in covering up evidence of child abuse by the church.

If you actually were complicit in the cover up of the sexual abuse of minors and of teenage boys, then yes.

The Church used to punish people for less than this.

The least they could do is admit their guilt and resign.

[Senkaku]

i agree the lavender mafia and all its cronies need to be defrocked and burned at the stake.

Putting aside the implied homophobia in your response,

And as a follow-up, bringing it back up, what's up with the "lavender mafia" comment?

Atheism has no unified expression. You have atheists that are nihilists, egoists, but you also have atheists who essentially follow the basic precepts of Christian behavior due to the influence of Christianity on Western thought.

Heaven forfend people should show diversity of thought

[United Muscovite Nations]

Putting aside the implied homophobia in your response, are you really saying that the current pope and pope emeritus should be defrocked and burned at the stake? Both were involved in covering up evidence of child abuse by the church.

If you actually were complicit in the cover up of the sexual abuse of minors and of teenage boys, then yes.

The Church used to punish people for less than this.

The Church today has no mechanism by which to punish a Pope.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

If I may use you as an example to demonstrate what I mean, your personal philosophy is one similar to that of the Cyrenaics, and is egoist hedonism; but not all who subscribe to hedonistic thought are egoists. In fact most that I've noticed, both online and in RL, are vaguely utilitarian in character. Do y'all catch my drift?

Most of us are not psychopaths, after all.

IIRC, he's a nihilist metaphysically and with regard to meta-ethical theory, but with regards to applied ethical practice adopts a position of egoist hedonism.

Bingo.

I debate religion on doctrine, not the actions of its followers. Otherwise any discussion with Muslims would boil down to "terrorism exists, therefore islam bad"


Oh yeah as if "hardcore religious types" aren't sick of atheists pretending they're experts on the Bible when all they know is contextless verses from facebook meme pages with names like RELIGION DEBUNKED CHRISTIANS ARE RETARDED

Yes. Yes, that is all we do.

I mean, despite our major philosophical disagreements on most matters, especially ethics (since my ethics isn't consequentialist, but largely deontological), I doubt that you're a psychopath, but I must say that a violently antisocial individual without self-restraint following an egoist philosophy would be... well, in both a rational/philosophical sense and an emotive/"gut" sense, a very bad thing indeed, so to speak. Do you catch my drift?

[Senkaku]

Putting aside the implied homophobia in your response, are you really saying that the current pope and pope emeritus should be defrocked and burned at the stake? Both were involved in covering up evidence of child abuse by the church.

If you actually were complicit in the cover up of the sexual abuse of minors and of teenage boys, then yes.

The Church used to punish people for less than this.

"the church brutally murdered people for basically no reason in the past, so why not let it brutally execute some criminals now?"

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

Putting aside the implied homophobia in your response,

And as a follow-up, bringing it back up, what's up with the "lavender mafia" comment?

They are the group of clergy covering up the crimes of predators within the Vatican and local areas.

[Jolthig]

Atheism has no unified expression. You have atheists that are nihilists, egoists, but you also have atheists who essentially follow the basic precepts of Christian behavior due to the influence of Christianity on Western thought.

Yep. Richard Dawkins actually calls himself a Christian atheist interestingly despite his mockery of many elements of Christianity in his book.

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

If you actually were complicit in the cover up of the sexual abuse of minors and of teenage boys, then yes.

The Church used to punish people for less than this.

"the church brutally murdered people for basically no reason in the past, so why not let it brutally execute some criminals now?"

Name one person killed for no reason without googling it.

[Senkaku]

And as a follow-up, bringing it back up, what's up with the "lavender mafia" comment?

They are the group of clergy covering up the crimes of predators within the Vatican and local areas.

Yah I think we're just wondering whether you're one of the "the gays are pedos and the pedos are gays" types or if you just didn't realize or didn't care or don't think it sounded pretty darn homophobic lol

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

And as a follow-up, bringing it back up, what's up with the "lavender mafia" comment?

They are the group of clergy covering up the crimes of predators within the Vatican and local areas.

Yah I think we're just wondering whether you're one of the "the gays are pedos and the pedos are gays" types or if you just didn't realize or didn't care or don't think it sounded pretty darn homophobic lol

I do not think all homosexuals are paedophiles I am saying this cabal of powerful people who happen to be just that are the ones covering for other predators.

Just as gang members cover for other gang members.

[The Blaatschapen]

Atheism has no unified expression. You have atheists that are nihilists, egoists, but you also have atheists who essentially follow the basic precepts of Christian behavior due to the influence of Christianity on Western thought.

Indeed, there is no shared dogma, rituals, or set of beliefs among atheists, except a rejection of the concept of God.

In many way, I'm closer to Angela Merkel (a Christian democrat) than to Joseph Stalin (authoritarian atheist).

Literally too, Angela is only a few km away usually

[Kowani]

Most of us are not psychopaths, after all.

Bingo.


Yes. Yes, that is all we do.

I mean, despite our major philosophical disagreements on most matters, especially ethics (since my ethics isn't consequentialist, but largely deontological), I doubt that you're a psychopath, but I must say that a violently antisocial individual without self-restraint following an egoist philosophy would be... well, in both a rational/philosophical sense and an emotive/"gut" sense, a very bad thing indeed, so to speak. Do you catch my drift?

A very short fuse, unlikely to cause much damage.

[Old Tyrannia]

And as a follow-up, bringing it back up, what's up with the "lavender mafia" comment?

They are the group of clergy covering up the crimes of predators within the Vatican and local areas.

Yah I think we're just wondering whether you're one of the "the gays are pedos and the pedos are gays" types or if you just didn't realize or didn't care or don't think it sounded pretty darn homophobic lol

He's definitely one of the "the gays are paedos and the paedos are gays" types.

"the church brutally murdered people for basically no reason in the past, so why not let it brutally execute some criminals now?"

Name one without googling it.

Jan Hus.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Atheism has no unified expression. You have atheists that are nihilists, egoists, but you also have atheists who essentially follow the basic precepts of Christian behavior due to the influence of Christianity on Western thought.

Yep. Richard Dawkins actually calls himself a Christian atheist interestingly despite his mockery of many elements of Christianity in his book.

I mean... yeah. It would be intellectually dishonest not to recognize the major contributions to western philosophy done by Christian (or in a broader sense, the Abrahamic faiths in general) philosophers in most fields of study. Even if one isn't a practitioner of Christianity (or even an Abrahamic faith), modern philosophers of ethics, metaphysics, epistemology, aesthetics, etc. owe a debt to the "giants" of the past that they now stand upon.

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

Yah I think we're just wondering whether you're one of the "the gays are pedos and the pedos are gays" types or if you just didn't realize or didn't care or don't think it sounded pretty darn homophobic lol

He's definitely one of the "the gays are paedos and the paedos are gays" types.

Name one without googling it.

Jan Hus.

I said without reason.

[Salus Maior]

Jan Hus.

That was unfortunate.

[Jolthig]

Yep. Richard Dawkins actually calls himself a Christian atheist interestingly despite his mockery of many elements of Christianity in his book.

I mean... yeah. It would be intellectually dishonest not to recognize the major contributions to western philosophy done by Christian (or in a broader sense, the Abrahamic faiths in general) philosophers in most fields of study. Even if one isn't a practitioner of Christianity (or even an Abrahamic faith), modern philosophers of ethics, metaphysics, epistemology, aesthetics, etc. owe a debt to the "giants" of the past that they now stand upon.

Which stems from Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates through Ibn Rushd.