Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Nova Cyberia]

Of course not, if you move the goalposts so that everything is a metaphor.

1. To criticize God on the nature of reality is to speak from ignorance, as we do not have infinite knowledge.

To point out that God seems to have gotten basic facets of reality wrong is not.

2. Some things are metaphors, and some aren't. The context will allow us to determine which is which.

Read-Whatever makes God look bad is metaphor.[/quote]
It's fairly common for religious folks to interpret their texts metaphorically. I don't know why you found that unusual.

[Kowani]

1. To criticize God on the nature of reality is to speak from ignorance, as we do not have infinite knowledge.

To point out that God seems to have gotten basic facets of reality wrong is not.

2. Some things are metaphors, and some aren't. The context will allow us to determine which is which.

Read-Whatever makes God look bad is metaphor.

It's fairly common for religious folks to interpret their texts metaphorically. I don't know why you found that unusual.

You are familiar with cherrypicking, I assume?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Again, 2000 years of Biblical scholarship know more than you.

An erroneous idea does not cease to be erroneous just because it is older.

And someone who studies something throughout their lives knows more on the subjects than you. That's the point I'm making.

[Totally Not OEP]

Some of ya'll might have heard about what's been happening up at the Lordstown Chevy plant in Ohio; it's really making me lean towards Revolutionary National Syndicalism.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Some of ya'll might have heard about what's been happening up at the Lordstown Chevy plant in Ohio; it's really making me lean towards Revolutionary National Syndicalism.

What's happening?

[Diopolis]

Some of ya'll might have heard about what's been happening up at the Lordstown Chevy plant in Ohio; it's really making me lean towards Revolutionary National Syndicalism.

I would be more sympathetic to a command economy if we had a leadership who I felt was trustworthy, someone like Buchanan or maybe Santorum at a minimum.

[Cappuccina]

Some of ya'll might have heard about what's been happening up at the Lordstown Chevy plant in Ohio; it's really making me lean towards Revolutionary National Syndicalism.

I would be more sympathetic to a command economy if we had a leadership who I felt was trustworthy, someone like Buchanan or maybe Santorum at a minimum.

I don't get why anyone would support command economics, especially after their abysmal failure historically.

[Novus America]

Some of ya'll might have heard about what's been happening up at the Lordstown Chevy plant in Ohio; it's really making me lean towards Revolutionary National Syndicalism.

I have a no doubt controversial idea, we should ban the importation of internal combustion engines. It would benefit the environment, national security and protect our manufacturing base.

Israel is actually considering this.

[Novus America]

I would be more sympathetic to a command economy if we had a leadership who I felt was trustworthy, someone like Buchanan or maybe Santorum at a minimum.

I don't get why anyone would support command economics, especially after their abysmal failure historically.

Command economics do not work. Neither does complete laissez-faire.
We need a middle ground.
That allows enough domestic competition to increase productivity and innovation, but protection against outsourcing and abuse.

We should slash corporate income tax to 15% BUT in exchange large corporations have to give at least 15% of shares to workers control.

Except tax profits from outsourcing at 30%.

[Diopolis]

I would be more sympathetic to a command economy if we had a leadership who I felt was trustworthy, someone like Buchanan or maybe Santorum at a minimum.

I don't get why anyone would support command economics, especially after their abysmal failure historically.

Soviet command economics failed. Command economics worked historically fairly well in France and Germany, to name two examples.

[Novus America]

I don't get why anyone would support command economics, especially after their abysmal failure historically.

Soviet command economics failed. Command economics worked historically fairly well in France and Germany, to name two examples.

Neither had a full command economy.
They had heavy state intervention but not to the level of a command economy.

[Jolthig]

Soviet command economics failed. Command economics worked historically fairly well in France and Germany, to name two examples.

Neither had a full command economy.
They had heavy state intervention but not to the level of a command economy.

Stalin did get the USSR industrialized though but at the costs of a many lives through famines.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't get why anyone would support command economics, especially after their abysmal failure historically.

Soviet command economics failed. Command economics worked historically fairly well in France and Germany, to name two examples.

Mixed economies are necessary. Command economies are very good at accomplishing large, centrally directed tasks, but are abysmal at the day-to-day decision-making of managing an economy.

[Diopolis]

Neither had a full command economy.
They had heavy state intervention but not to the level of a command economy.

Stalin did get the USSR industrialized though but at the costs of a many lives through famines.

Many of which were deliberate.

[Diopolis]

Soviet command economics failed. Command economics worked historically fairly well in France and Germany, to name two examples.

Neither had a full command economy.
They had heavy state intervention but not to the level of a command economy.

Both were definitely on the other side of a mixed economy during certain periods, however.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Because He [God] never lies.

Except for when he does.

What are RWDT's vices?

I'm a big fan of rye whiskey and stout beer. Canadian Club and Guinness are my brands.

Also a big fan of old school chewing tobacco. Not modern day pouches or "long cut", but honest to God treated tobacco leaves. Red Man is probably the best brand for it.

NationStates, PC games (mostly emulators and other old games from my childhood because I'm stuck living in the past), Wii U games, and music (is music a vice? IDK)

[United Muscovite Nations]

Stalin did get the USSR industrialized though but at the costs of a many lives through famines.

Many of which were deliberate.

It's debateable. I don't think there's a lot of evidence besides the absurdity of the situation itself that the Holodomor was deliberate. I've posted a lot on the evidence for it being the consequence of government incompetence.

[Novus America]

Neither had a full command economy.
They had heavy state intervention but not to the level of a command economy.

Stalin did get the USSR industrialized though but at the costs of a many lives through famines.

And the US industrialized better, without a command economy.
But also with a combination of government subsidies, investment in infrastructure and protectionism.

Our pre 70s policies worked great.

[Diopolis]

Many of which were deliberate.

It's debateable. I don't think there's a lot of evidence besides the absurdity of the situation itself that the Holodomor was deliberate. I've posted a lot on the evidence for it being the consequence of government incompetence.

There'd be a lot of coincidences stacking up at once for it to be solely unintentional.
At the very least, there was a deliberate choice made for the famine to affect specific regions when the soviets confiscated all the grain in western Ukraine.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Because He [God] never lies.

Except for when he does.

When?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Stalin did get the USSR industrialized though but at the costs of a many lives through famines.

And the US industrialized better, without a command economy.
But also with a combination of government subsidies, investment in infrastructure and protectionism.

Our pre 70s policies worked great.

^This. There are better ways to measure industrialization than the amount of military equipment a country can put out.

[Novus America]

Many of which were deliberate.

It's debateable. I don't think there's a lot of evidence besides the absurdity of the situation itself that the Holodomor was deliberate. I've posted a lot on the evidence for it being the consequence of government incompetence.

Even if it was not deliberate, (many believe it was) it was at least a complete lack of caring.
Stalin has zero regard for human life regardless.

[Diopolis]

And the US industrialized better, without a command economy.
But also with a combination of government subsidies, investment in infrastructure and protectionism.

Our pre 70s policies worked great.

^This. There are better ways to measure industrialization than the amount of military equipment a country can put out.

Realistically, the best economic situation for the common man was the US in the late fifties/early sixties, not under a soviet block country.

[Jolthig]

Stalin did get the USSR industrialized though but at the costs of a many lives through famines.

And the US industrialized better, without a command economy.
But also with a combination of government subsidies, investment in infrastructure and protectionism.

Our pre 70s policies worked great.

I agree

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's debateable. I don't think there's a lot of evidence besides the absurdity of the situation itself that the Holodomor was deliberate. I've posted a lot on the evidence for it being the consequence of government incompetence.

There'd be a lot of coincidences stacking up at once for it to be solely unintentional.
At the very least, there was a deliberate choice made for the famine to affect specific regions when the soviets confiscated all the grain in western Ukraine.

That was simply a consequence of the disastrous policies for collectivization. The grain had to be collected by the state so it could be distributed. There wasn't a market where grain was sold, the state distributed it, and that required requisitioning it. Many of the records show that the Soviet reaction to the failure to meet the grain quota was panic and disbelief (even cancelling requisitions of grain and emergency distribution of leftover grain), which wouldn't be a logical reaction if they had planned for that.