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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Nova Grekia
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Postby Nova Grekia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:08 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Nova Grekia wrote:MAGA
Make
Anatolia
Greek
Again

!لا

What?

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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:11 pm

Make Istanbul Constantinople Again
Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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Al Mumtahanah
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:12 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:I honestly don't understand how anyone can believe that their God mandates that they beat a person, likely to death, for having consensual sex and still consider their religion to be just and righteous.

And how do you feel about the concept of hell?
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:14 pm

Nova Grekia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:!لا

What?

Arabic for "no"
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:15 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I honestly don't understand how anyone can believe that their God mandates that they beat a person, likely to death, for having consensual sex and still consider their religion to be just and righteous.

And how do you feel about the concept of hell?

Sad for those destined to end up there. Grateful that our Lord's mercy extends to all who are prepared to accept it.
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Postby Nova Grekia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:15 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Nova Grekia wrote:What?

Arabic for "no"

It doesn't matter what you say
Arabs have proven to really be unable to properly fight anyways

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Al Mumtahanah
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:15 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Make Istanbul Constantinople Again

Greece has a communist party in power, you sure?
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:16 pm

Nova Grekia wrote:MAGA
Make
Anatolia
Greek
Again


As much as Ottoman destruction of Greek society and culture, and ethnic cleansing and genocide was, how exactly do you propose to do that? While Turkish birth rates are falling, Greek ones are even worse.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Al Mumtahanah
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:17 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:And how do you feel about the concept of hell?

Sad for those destined to end up there. Grateful that our Lord's mercy extends to all who are prepared to accept it.

So eternal damnation is just but temporal flogging is barbaric?
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:17 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:And how do you feel about the concept of hell?

Sad for those destined to end up there. Grateful that our Lord's mercy extends to all who are prepared to accept it.

So, how about those who were born before Christ?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:18 pm

Nova Grekia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Arabic for "no"

It doesn't matter what you say
Arabs have proven to really be unable to properly fight anyways

Since when did Anatolia have an Arab majority?
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
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Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:18 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Make Istanbul Constantinople Again


Unfortunately there are more Turks in Istanbul/Constantinople then there are Greeks in Greece.
If Greece somehow retook the city, Greece would become a Turkish and Muslim majority country.
___|_|___ _|__*__|_

Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Nova Grekia
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Postby Nova Grekia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:20 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Make Istanbul Constantinople Again

Greece has a communist party in power, you sure?


First of all they are not communist. They are cucked "European leftists". But they are on their way out anyways. The elections are in 2 days. Most of the population, especially the youth is right-far right at the moment, which is awesome.

Novus America wrote:
Nova Grekia wrote:MAGA
Make
Anatolia
Greek
Again


As much as Ottoman destruction of Greek society and culture, and ethnic cleansing and genocide was, how exactly do you propose to do that? While Turkish birth rates are falling, Greek ones are even worse.


I am not an expert or a politician so I can't have a clear answer for this. Greece needs skilled nationalists in power who will use every opportunity to make gains against Turkey(political but maybe even military).

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:22 pm

Nova Grekia wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Greece has a communist party in power, you sure?


First of all they are not communist. They are cucked "European leftists". But they are on their way out anyways. The elections are in 2 days. Most of the population, especially the youth is right-far right at the moment, which is awesome.

Awesome if you want to destroy your own country, perhaps.
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Postby Nova Grekia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:24 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Make Istanbul Constantinople Again


Unfortunately there are more Turks in Istanbul/Constantinople then there are Greeks in Greece.
If Greece somehow retook the city, Greece would become a Turkish and Muslim majority country.


One third of Constantinople's population is Kurdish but what matters the most is this:
Turkey has a HUGE crypto-christian population. In recent years more and more of them have started to be more open about it. Greeks still live throughout Turkey. Also Constantinople recently elected a mayor who is most likely one of those crypto-christians/Greeks. Turkey pretends to be a giant but their foundations are not solid.

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Nova Grekia
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Postby Nova Grekia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nova Grekia wrote:
First of all they are not communist. They are cucked "European leftists". But they are on their way out anyways. The elections are in 2 days. Most of the population, especially the youth is right-far right at the moment, which is awesome.

Awesome if you want to destroy your own country, perhaps.


If this left wing party ruled for 10 more years, there would be no Greece for the right wingers to "destroy". Mohhameds and Abduls would outnumber us inside our own country.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:28 pm

Nova Grekia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Awesome if you want to destroy your own country, perhaps.


If this left wing party ruled for 10 more years, there would be no Greece for the right wingers to "destroy". Mohhameds and Abduls would outnumber us inside our own country.

I’m going to need to see immigration statistics before I take any of this even remotely seriously.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:29 pm

Nova Grekia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Unfortunately there are more Turks in Istanbul/Constantinople then there are Greeks in Greece.
If Greece somehow retook the city, Greece would become a Turkish and Muslim majority country.


One third of Constantinople's population is Kurdish but what matters the most is this:
Turkey has a HUGE crypto-christian population. In recent years more and more of them have started to be more open about it. Greeks still live throughout Turkey. Also Constantinople recently elected a mayor who is most likely one of those crypto-christians/Greeks. Turkey pretends to be a giant but their foundations are not solid.


I would have to see more numbers showing this. While I would not be surprise some exist, not in substantial enough numbers to reverse a grim demographic reality.
___|_|___ _|__*__|_

Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:29 pm

Kowani wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Sad for those destined to end up there. Grateful that our Lord's mercy extends to all who are prepared to accept it.

So, how about those who were born before Christ?

The righteous dead who perished before the crucifixion were saved by the harrowing of Hell.
Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Sad for those destined to end up there. Grateful that our Lord's mercy extends to all who are prepared to accept it.

So eternal damnation is just but temporal flogging is barbaric?

Humans are not God, it is not our place to punish one another's sins, and only the unrepentant are condemned to Hell. Besides which, I do not hold same-sex intercourse to be inherently sinful.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:29 pm

Nova Grekia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Awesome if you want to destroy your own country, perhaps.


If this left wing party ruled for 10 more years, there would be no Greece for the right wingers to "destroy". Mohhameds and Abduls would outnumber us inside our own country.

Ok?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:30 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Kowani wrote:So, how about those who were born before Christ?

The righteous dead who perished before the crucifixion were saved by the harrowing of Hell.

Ignoring the millions of innocents who would have suffered until Christ was born for a second, what about the unrighteous dead?
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Postby Nova Grekia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:30 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nova Grekia wrote:
If this left wing party ruled for 10 more years, there would be no Greece for the right wingers to "destroy". Mohhameds and Abduls would outnumber us inside our own country.

I’m going to need to see immigration statistics before I take any of this even remotely seriously.


Claiming that the right wing destroy their own countries is as ridiculous as it can get

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:32 pm

Nova Grekia wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Greece has a communist party in power, you sure?


First of all they are not communist. They are cucked "European leftists". But they are on their way out anyways. The elections are in 2 days. Most of the population, especially the youth is right-far right at the moment, which is awesome.

Novus America wrote:
As much as Ottoman destruction of Greek society and culture, and ethnic cleansing and genocide was, how exactly do you propose to do that? While Turkish birth rates are falling, Greek ones are even worse.


I am not an expert or a politician so I can't have a clear answer for this. Greece needs skilled nationalists in power who will use every opportunity to make gains against Turkey(political but maybe even military).


Well sure, Greece can and should try to make economic and political gains, but it is still has to reverse the demographic situation, which is very difficult and would take centuries.
___|_|___ _|__*__|_

Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Nova Grekia
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Postby Nova Grekia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:32 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nova Grekia wrote:
One third of Constantinople's population is Kurdish but what matters the most is this:
Turkey has a HUGE crypto-christian population. In recent years more and more of them have started to be more open about it. Greeks still live throughout Turkey. Also Constantinople recently elected a mayor who is most likely one of those crypto-christians/Greeks. Turkey pretends to be a giant but their foundations are not solid.


I would have to see more numbers showing this. While I would not be surprise some exist, not in substantial enough numbers to reverse a grim demographic reality.


There are no figures because this is an issue that Turkey obviously wants to silence, pretend it doesn't exist

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Postby Nova Grekia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:34 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nova Grekia wrote:
First of all they are not communist. They are cucked "European leftists". But they are on their way out anyways. The elections are in 2 days. Most of the population, especially the youth is right-far right at the moment, which is awesome.



I am not an expert or a politician so I can't have a clear answer for this. Greece needs skilled nationalists in power who will use every opportunity to make gains against Turkey(political but maybe even military).


Well sure, Greece can and should try to make economic and political gains, but it is still has to reverse the demographic situation, which is very difficult and would take centuries.


I mean you could maybe force them to simply leave. A few rumours are enough to make populations of entire regions to panic and flee during wartime

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